Mississippi bill would require teachers to grade parents

a reply to: Annee

I'm not making excuses for my life either. I am simply telling about my experiences. My partner and I have managed to navigate the issue. We made our decisions as best we could. Life isn't so simple when you are dealing with other people. You get someone like my partner's ex thrown in the mix and oh boy! Watch out. The times that required cooperation with him ... she developed a particular skill in asking him how he wanted to handle things because no matter what she said, he would go the opposite direction. Even if the situation was identical to a previous one, she wouldn't give her opinion on it until he gave his opinion. He would flip on a dime. We couldn't use his previous opinions as a roadmap because he would change them on a moments notice, simply to get under her skin. This 'solution' being proposed is fine on the surface. Take in to account the way former partners use their kids as weapons and you have a recipe for disaster.

I had great teachers, and bad teachers. The bad teachers were a HUGE problem. Not in all cases, but the biggest joke was when the coaches also had to teach at least one non-sports/PE class. The absolute WORST was a coach that taught various mathematics classes. Literally, students who could not teach themselves learned nothing.

He would skip entire lessons when he could not figure out how to teach them. He would try, kids would struggle, he would say screw it. We would go to a different chapter. He never graded anything based on correct answers, merely how much of the work you did. Students like me taught themselves.

Other coaches talked sports with jocks while the rest played Uno, Spades, or dominoes.

We had substitute teachers who would take my homework and tests and read out my answers for everyone to copy.

Then, teachers the next semester would wonder why a kid who "passed" Algebra couldn't do the refreshers at the start of Algebra II.

So now, with laws likes this, parents will come under scrutiny instead of awful teachers..

There are great teachers I had that I wish I knew now as an adult...and there were way more who wasted a LOT of time and taxpayer money.

a reply to: Khaleesi

Well, lets see.

My father ran off with another woman when my mom had polio.
My kids father became jealous of his own kids and he had to go when it began affecting them.
My grandson's father chose drugs over him.
My other grandson's dad died of Cancer before he was a month old.
My granddaughter's father is the "pain in the ass" that is as you describe with your partner.

Been there.

Back to parents getting report cards in Mississippi.

Yep - - I still support it. Think its a great idea.

a reply to: Annee


This is not a competition for who had the worst life Annee. You gave examples of why you think this is a good idea and I gave examples of why I think it's not a good idea. We all have a right to our own opinions based on our life experiences.

originally posted by: BarefootInWinter

So now, with laws likes this, parents will come under scrutiny instead of awful teachers..

There are great teachers I had that I wish I knew now as an adult...and there were way more who wasted a LOT of time and taxpayer money.

You do know there are new laws for teachers too, right?

Teachers are held accountable for their students assignments.

originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: Annee


This is not a competition for who had the worst life Annee. You gave examples of why you think this is a good idea and I gave examples of why I think it's not a good idea. We all have a right to our own opinions based on our life experiences.

OK, you claim you gave reasons why its a bad idea.

I said you were making excuses. I still say that.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: eisegesis

Since Parents are not Enrolled in Miss. Schools , why would they somehow be Graded ? Talk about an Insane Idea .

Because it will pass, no one will really protest against it, and soon it will be how things are. Just like every other inane thing that has come to pass, for generations later to look back and go "How?"

You don't think the children you raise are yours do you? They are state funded income earners. You are just birthers.

a reply to: Annee

Throwing new laws at a problem just adds more red tape and doesn't necessarily fix anything.

originally posted by: ShadowLink
They should put forth a bill that grades politicians, when they get a C, D, or F they're fired.

It would work if they were culpable for their actions and inactions. But they are not. they are a club of secret society miscreants.

if one is in power and they are endorsed at all, they are in on it. Only when the entire regime conspires against one, do you know it's a threat to the two tier monopoly..

Seen it here, over a decade ago... I see it there now.

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

Your star is a little hidden on your sleeve there Annee..

You should wear it proudly for your masters.

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

What happens when the school believes that you've "failed" your child?

State foster homes, where education to the state enforced narrative is the key to becoming a productive and good sla.. I mean citizen.

Camps full of children of bad parents, grown to all tow the line.

An entire generation of new age peons, brain washed to follow orders, learn a set truth, never question. obey.

who needs parents? soon they will just clone the future.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

What happens when the school believes that you've "failed" your child?

Maybe the parent will try to improve their grade.

Maybe the parent is also a product of a failed society, system, general enforced agenda to maintain a standard of faulty reality.

no?

Ahh they must just be bad parents, why not just remove the kids and put the parents in hard labour for their crimes against society... you know, having children they love.

best thing is, let the government own your kids. you as a parent know nothing.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Well, the old adage it takes an entire village to bring up a child comes to mind here.

As for how some parents bring up their children, an X-Box and ipad just wont cut it these days, you must positively interact with your children.

Kids need constant parenting and discipline and love and care and to deny them that is to doom the next generation.

If I had a kid and some government, education department or anyone, told me that I was raising my kids wrong because they did not meet their standards, they can kiss my damn arse.

and you do know that the next step in this slippery slope is legislation.. enforced education to the state.

this.. this is scary. that even one person agrees this is a good idea. wow...

may as well just get bar coded right now...

originally posted by: eisegesis

A bill introduced in the state legislature would include grades for parents on students' report cards, rating parents on whether their children turned in homework and how well they communicated with teachers, among other items.

Source

House Bill 4: Link

Download: PDF

Imagine getting a letter from your child's school because of their poor performance, stating that you have been found “unsatisfactory” as a parent.

How lovely...

Any student with a C, D, or F would be required the teacher of the student's parents to begin grading them on their involvement, concerning their child's education. While a good idea in theory, there can be many reasons why a student is struggling and the teacher must be careful when deciding how to judge. Children can lie easily and parents can cheat, both problems that the school may face when trying to understand and improve the reason for poor performance.

Report cards for kindergarten through 12th grades would have sections on report cards for parents to be rated as "satisfactory," "in need of improvement," or "unsatisfactory."

Florida lawmakers tried introducing a similar bill (Download: PDF) back in 2011, but it ultimately failed to see the light of day. Tennessee approved legislation back in 2012, but only grades parents until the end of 3rd grade and the evaluations are voluntary. Chicago experimented as well back in 2000.

Holloway said he has yet to receive any resistance to the plan. The bill has been referred to the state House Education Committee.

This may sound like a good way to get parents more involved, but the teacher may not always know best and could end up tearing some families apart based on false observations. What scares me the most is what these “unfit” parents may have to go through after they receive too many bad report cards.

"What we wanted to do is try to shock parents back into reality to say, 'If your kid is failing, then you are failing your kid," Rep. Gregory Holloway, a Democrat.

How quickly they point the finger. I can see this helping our own “failing” education system shift the blame onto parents who don't always have the ability to be at their best. Try to help your child in any way possible, even if that means seeking outside help. The less you are involved the more the government steps in to take over.

High School diplomas have lost their status in the workforce and High Schools have cessed to produce workforce ready graduates due to businesses rejecting them. The only appropriate action to take now, is for parents to begin negotiating with the schools, a way to pay the juveniles for their work and time while at school. The premisis of working for free because the knowledge they worked for in school will pay the kid and parents back later in life after graduating with a HS Diploma that leads to a good job, has been disabled. In addition, child labor laws have been inacted to prevent kids not living on farms, from going to work and getting paid so they can contribute productively to their family which 7 times out of 10, is struggling financially. Most kids don't have parents who have working farms due to land grabbing and industrialization and the technology boom. The baby boomers fed into raising kids who only consume and don't produce and business boomed.

There is no reason for a juvenile to have work sent home unless they got in trouble and it is used as a punnishment. Work should only be done at the school, AND the juveniles should get paid for engaging in work at the school, 5 days a week, 7 hours a day, in order to contribute to their family who is reliant on payment in the form of money from the employer they work for, in order for them to secure housing, healthcare, food, clothing and transportation.

Many teachers are just money oriented parasites who weakly complain about common core, SOL's and such but do nothing to lobby for actusl change and making sure HS Diplomas become honorable in the workforce again. The kids are out of control because they are latch-key kids with over stressed and over worked parents or under employed parents who are really stressed because good employment is not available to all adult United States citizens.

A kid should have no business in knowing the grade their parents get from their school if this does go down. What ever authority and credibility the parent has over their kid, will be knocked off a few notches if it's less than an A. Parents are the primary authority figures . Teachers are secondary. This is blame shifting because we are all now living in a society that is totally corrupt that cares only about money because a price has been put on everything and it's a high monetary price that the genersl population cannot keep up with.

This bill is ridiculous. Families are financially hurting, the HS diploma of no value in the workforce, college still being promoted as valuable, but accessable to the masses via student loans with college graduates being shunned by employers who relay they need experience first before working; not viewing their college degree as worthy of acceptance into the workforce.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

What happens when the school believes that you've "failed" your child?

State foster homes, where education to the state enforced narrative is the key to becoming a productive and good sla.. I mean citizen.

Camps full of children of bad parents, grown to all tow the line.

An entire generation of new age peons, brain washed to follow orders, learn a set truth, never question. obey.

who needs parents? soon they will just clone the future.

That's harsh, sadly though its about right...there is very little thinking being taught these days

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: ckhk3
Yes there are those who do it because they love it, now days they do it for the money.

Those damn teachers and their Ferraris and million dollar homes. How dare they!

Because money is all about Ferraris and million dollar homes.

and not an easy pay packet where you do nothing and watch things slide, but now you can blame the parent. Yaaayyy

I know when I was in school teachers gave a damn. But then I didnt live in an era where they called the police if you didn't stand up when asked to.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: ckhk3
Yes there are those who do it because they love it, now days they do it for the money.

Those damn teachers and their Ferraris and million dollar homes. How dare they!

What teachers do you know that drive Ferraris?

Have you checked on teachers salaries lately?

lmao well Annee, now I know you're not reading too well.. or understanding.

Ol' enumbra is on your side hey, but failure to see this .. I dont accept your take on this argument at all. if you are so eager to be contrary, it's not a good sign.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Annee

Excuses?

What are you talking about?


Only "excuse" you'll get out of me is EXCUSE ME, I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that underprivileged children & families in general will suffer the most from this draconian bull#.


Do you know what drug addiction does?
Do you know what a broken home does?
Do you know what domestic violence does?


It makes school a mere secondary and meaningless daily activity.

If my mum had got an F for my behaviour in school if have #ing burned it to the ground.

I was an underprivileged kid.

I came from a broken home. My dad ran off with another woman because my mom came down with polio and was disabled.

There are plenty of successful people who came out of less then perfect circumstances.

Its an excuse.

You mean despite your home life, you still put the effort in, and it had nothing to do with your parents?

Golly gee, well lets introduce a thing where your parents will be responsible if YOU are a slacker.

That'll fix everything hey !

jesus christ... lol

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: ckhk3
Yes there are those who do it because they love it, now days they do it for the money.

Those damn teachers and their Ferraris and million dollar homes. How dare they!

What teachers do you know that drive Ferraris?

Have you checked on teachers salaries lately?

You don't do sarcasm well do you?

Doesn't always translate on the net.

But, good to know that was sarcasm.

Everyone but you got it Annee..

Perhaps there is something different about you?

hint: that's not sarcasm...

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Annee

...kid...

...Being the operative word, not all KIDS react the same to stressful situations...

To go further than that a practically label people unfit parents does no end of injustice.



Wow you're strong, so strong that you can look down on others.

Pathetic.

You can't see that you are still making excuses.

It's an "excuse" that kids factually are biologically and chemically different to one another and therefore react in different manners to different levels of stress???

What sort of robot are you?

& why do you insist on projecting your emotionless drivel onto children and their parent's hardships?

She also thinks it's completely acceptable for 2 lesbians to force their 8 year old son to be a girl. despite the fact the boy hates being ridiculed at school.. playing dress ups with a small boy is disgusting... but there you go...

I mean, it's a bizarre mindset over there...