Flight MH117 was shot down with a Russian Missile

A UK-based online investigative team says it has identified Russian soldiers who were likely involved in the shooting down of a Malaysian plane.

In a report, the Bellingcat team links personnel from the 2nd Battalion of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade to the tragedy in eastern Ukraine in 2014

Source:
www.bbc.com...

Wow... you have been a member here for almost 12 years and only made 16 posts.. I'm starring and flagging you just for that.
Your first flag. Just broke your ATS virginity after 12 years.. lol..

a reply to: Spaceentity

President Vladimir Putin said at the time that such a tribunal would be "premature" and "counterproductive"

That man will not admit to this, whatever the outcome.....

I wonder how close we came to a "reaction" on that day

Interested to hear the Russian take on this, spoiler alert, denial and nothing coming of it... Unfortunately.

Not the discredited Bell-end-cat again?
Of course, he's an "expert" and will be quoted at length by media like the BBC, without having to produce any evidence that would stand up in a court of law, but the usual hypotheticals and anonymous sources count more in journalism today!

It's Russia after all. They will lie about everything, unlike our honest and above reproach leaders...... right?

Putin won't admit to it because Russian soldiers were supposedly never in Ukraine.

You can't shoot a plane down if you weren't there...

Nudge nudge wink wink

a reply to: Britguy

Yes Smellycat.

What are they feeding you.

BS.

the truth! the truth!
the truth at last!
now lay to bed the lies.

This does not surprise me at all.

The Ukrainians also have the same soviet Missile Brigade but hey since this is from the BBC. iT MUST BE TRUE right?
BBC wouldn't lie right?

a reply to: Spaceentity

The problem i am having is with this.
A UK-based online investigative team

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: Spaceentity

The problem i am having is with this.
A UK-based online investigative team

This is no doubt politically motivated. After all Russia itself has recently said that the USA and it's allies are pushing us into a new cold war.

OT is known however that the missile was a Russian made BUK.

It is also likely Russian troops did cross into Ukraine.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: Spaceentity

The problem i am having is with this.
A UK-based online investigative team

This is no doubt politically motivated. After all Russia itself has recently said that the USA and it's allies are pushing us into a new cold war.

OT is known however that the missile was a Russian made BUK.

It is also likely Russian troops did cross into Ukraine.

All of Ukraine's military weapons where Russian. Only presently did the US give them weapons. So could have been Russia or could have been the rebels, even Ukraine. If you look further into how this started the US started to give money for a over throw then didnt get the guy they wanted and started another overthrow. We keep meddling in other countries affairs. And it has not been working out. Iraq,Libya,Syria and Egypt not one worked the way we wanted too.

originally posted by: speeddr2000

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: Spaceentity

The problem i am having is with this.
A UK-based online investigative team

This is no doubt politically motivated. After all Russia itself has recently said that the USA and it's allies are pushing us into a new cold war.

OT is known however that the missile was a Russian made BUK.

It is also likely Russian troops did cross into Ukraine.

All of Ukraine's military weapons where Russian. Only presently did the US give them weapons. So could have been Russia or could have been the rebels, even Ukraine. If you look further into how this started the US started to give money for a over throw then didnt get the guy they wanted and started another overthrow. We keep meddling in other countries affairs. And it has not been working out. Iraq,Libya,Syria and Egypt not one worked the way we wanted too.

Exactly.

You'll notice that I stop short of saying that they actually did it.

Because I don't know.

But as I have shown, the weapon was Russian and Russian soldiers were probably in Ukraine.

But there is so far anyway, no indisputable link to Russia and them pushing the button that launched that missile.

originally posted by: Spaceentity
A UK-based online investigative team says it has identified Russian soldiers...bla bla
Source:
www.bbc.com...

Source the BBC?

This is almost hilarious.


Funny it wasn't CNN 'ehh?

You ARE allowed to think for yourself...

The investigative team is from the internet, so it must be true.

Yep. Bellingcrap. The one-man investigative team...can you say "oxymoron"? Or perhaps just "moron"....

a reply to: markosity1973

Vice news as your source?

OT is known however that the missile was a Russian made BUK.

An Ukrainian Soviet Cold War made BUK you do realize that Ukrainian forces are all made up of cold war era tech right?
The BUK arent different.

a reply to: Echo007

Lets not forget how unreliable these one man investigative teams from the internet have became.

Misleading the crowds: Bellingcat Infowar Mercenaries Clean Up Secret Service Stuff Again

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Misleading the crowds
Again it appeared to be the case Bellingcat had done nothing more than polishing up old SBU stuff. Obviously they wanted to sell their 12 june report as new and impartial evidence which would take us to a final climax revealing the forgeries made by the Russians. This can be seen as misleading the crowds they got their money from as it is. But if they got the Digital Globe SAT from the SBU or the US they could even have committed an act of fraud. In each case they should have taken the advice any forensic analyst could give them: take care of your own sourcing when investigating the sources of other parties.

Their one-sidedness, their non-scientific approach and lack of doubt, their dogmatic thinking, and their deeply ideologically motivated attitude is almost becoming a kind of religious fanatism in which they implicitly think of themselves as crusaders of truth. It´s a narcisist self image we know so well from the inclinations of the lords of the anglosaxon dominated world orders. Moreover, this all raises questions about their methods too (for example: their investigations always smell from confirmation bias).

From that on it should be clear Bellingcat operates like a team of infowar mercenaries, recycling and reinforcing alleged evidence originating from dubious parties. In that way they are whitewashing the Ukrainian secret service by playing the role of an objective third party expert to gain trust at (pro)western news markets. Their pursued line of propaganda is obvious as well. The assigned task is to discredit all information coming from critical and Russian sources and replace it with information that suits the agenda of Empire. Specifically they put a lot of effort portraying the Russians as perpetrators of the attack at MH17 based on a lot of wishful thinking and suggestion but factually absent evidence.

For that reason their credibility will be boosted by pro western and pro NATO sources. The stronger their glorification the more impact their message. We should all be aware of that when the next Grand Finale will arrive.as well. The assigned task is to discredit all information coming from critical and Russian sources and replace it with information that suits the agenda of Empire. Specifically they put a lot of effort portraying the Russians as perpetrators of the attack at MH17 based on a lot of wishful thinking and suggestion but factually absent evidence.

And very same can also be said about the #1 source of information 'from' Syria echoed by the western MSM : the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. SOHR sounds and looks genuine for a one person blog run by a 15 years long Syrian expat located in the British midlands and actually reporting live through his internet connection, but is it really accurate ?
We are the field journalists in Syria and Libya ?
It's always worth looking under the hood ...