Good evening folks. Don't worry, this won't be a smash and run. I'm looking to open a serious discussion about a controversial topic. As such, I am
hoping for a good in-depth discussion instead of the "so and so is an idiot...he ruined the country."
To begin, I will say I am finally increasing my historical knowledge (specifically of presidents and the wars pertaining to the US as well as
historical domestic maters). I don't profess to know more than anyone here. In fact, I am doing this for a good ATS discussion, but also to
completely open my mind despite my own political leanings. SOOOOO...all responses, even if I disagree are very, very welcome. In fact, those might
even be better...help get me out of overt-biases
So I am on my fourth presidential biography. I have completed a couple of well-written biographies on Grant, then on Eisenhower, then Abraham Lincoln.
I am currently about 55-60% through Woodrow Wilson. I am stating with presidents who presided over war at the outset or duration, or in the case of
Grant and to a slightly different extent, Eisenhower (as he was sort of both by inheritance), a president formerly steeped in war. After that, I am
moving on to presidents commonly believed to be "the worst" by aggregate votes.
So as a side note...after Wilson, does anyone have a suggestion of the next bio for me? Thanks!
The topic here is what, where, why, how and when do you believe the United States, as a whole, began to fall short of the powerhouse we were. Do you
believe we've EVER been a powerhouse? Do you believe we are STILL a powerhouse and just as strong? I am looking for all answers regardless. However,
I am very taken with the question of the 5 W's and an H of when you think we began to falter or completely collapse.
Stuff I am interested in is your opinion, stats, etc. (and no you aren't helping me write a paper I promise)
Do you feel a certain president destroyed us? Do you feel a certain season of the House or Senate made us falter? Did a SCOTUS decision pave the way
for our messy future? Was it a certain war or police action that made us fall from grace? etc, etc...you get the point.
It isn't perfect...but I was looking at Wiki's agg list of presidential ranking...and started to wonder if perhaps it was a wee-bit biased.
Does Lincoln truly deserve the number one spot? I think so...but I am ready to be challenged in my thinking? If people talked so poorly of him, why is
Obama pretty far up? If people loathed GWB with so much further, how did he earn a respectable mid-pack placement?
I hope this is acceptable as a start to the thread...
MODS...after dinner and my drive home, I will be returning with my thoughts...as in-depth as possible...so I hope this is acceptable
Thank you all