The Amish Are Not What They Seem: A Business of Brutal Cruelty

The OP caused me to do some research on the Amish, first they are a very small group comparatively 300,000 WW.
Second they have sub groups and some are very strict like the Swartzentruber Amish, no running water for baths, and indoor toilets because no running water.

Swartzentruber Amish

What the Amish have done is misinterpret Jesus words about being "no part of the world" to include all technology, what they fail to realize is Jesus final command to his disciples would mean the need to embrace technology to fulfill that.

From my perspective the Amish could continue to live moral lives and discontinue animal cruelty by allowing the truths of the bible to influence their lives, John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

If the truth of the matter would let me relieve myself and take a shower inside I think I would be pretty happy.
I feel very sorry for the people trapped in that culture, especially the women, you know if they are living like they did in the 1800's they are treating women like they did back then too.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
Ok, so instead of discussing legislative ways to counter this industry and its abusive practice...

Isn't that indeed what I'm calling for in the close of the opening post?

"The only way to fix society is by one problem at a time, and this seems like an easy problem to fix. And fixing the smaller problems is the path to fixing the bigger ones."

originally posted by: Flesh699
This is no different than how the beef you eat is treated, the chickens, the pigs... But of course, because they're dogs everyone throws a fit.

This thread isn't about humane slaughter, that's another issue.

We didn't alter the behavior our food animals through selective breeding to crave the inclusion of humans into their pack. And some dogs (such as pugs, I'm a pug owner) have been domesticated for thousands of years specifically to be human companions.

Yes, we throw a fit because they're dogs. We humans took this species that was already predisposed to find our side, and patiently led it's selective breeding to become part of our families.

For discussions about humane slaughter, I'd suggest starting a new thread, inspired by Esther.

I notice your take on the Amish is based on your moral considerations concerning animals. To a point i agree because i hate seeing animals harmed in any way cruel. Yet, I'm aware, as a result of constant television commercials funded by animal rights organizations, that animal cruelty requires the same aide and contributions we usually contribute for humanity causes.

First, you live in a world where the food you eat are supplied at the local grocery store. All items are packaged in a way to hide the cruel history of the animal you are eating. If you were giving a video of it's demise you'd probably become a vegan. A hundred years ago nobody would get excited on this issue. My grandmother, with eleven children, would go outside and wring the necks of a couple chickens for dinner and do so without any hesitation. Farmers and livestock breeders utilized many disgusting practices to ensure the high standards of breeding. I personally know dog breeders who smite puppies if the have a under-bite.

Today we have powerful organizations like PITA who with their massive financial resources lobby congressmen to make laws that if one breaks is a felony. For instance, my sister-in-law sat on a jury where the accused, if convicted, would serve a 7 to 14 year sentence for shooting his dog. The animal suffered mange and breeding was out of the question. Thank God the jury resisted the urging of the prosecutor and set him free. A friend of mine breeds fighting roosters and the money is great for those who breed champion birds. His father and grandfather did the same and the "sport" is big Mexico and central and South America. It's big in the Philippines and Asian countries. Hell...George Washington had many roosters on the White House lawn! Personally i could care less about chickens.

Yet, a local case where a couple drunk misfits doused a dog with gasoline and set it afire. They thought it was funny watching the dog running around the yard ablazed. I thought that was criminal and they deserved doing time. However, I'm angry when a commercial of dogs and cats suffering with the music of Sarah McGouphlin playing in the background. Although i do not condone animal cruelty and i find it disgusting in many cases, I feel the need to say the plight of children in third country situations should be helped with the money spent on animal cruelty contributions. In fact, I think all countries of the world should intervene and help those who are the victims of natural disasters and political neglect. Many of the animal rights people are more like NAZI storm-troopers and if they have their way it will be illegal to eat a steak at the local steakhouse. When the Amish commit crimes against humanity let me know and i will join your cause.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

This is just horrendous!

Misguided in every way!

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Is this some kind of joke?

What happened to "You're all being stupid" and broad brushes etc?

I don't like animal abuse anymore than you, but your title, really? All-out assault on a whole community, because puppies? Are "The Amish" really anymore brutal than any other people?

Seriously, after the Idiot Bulletin, you must just be poking fun at us.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I was referring to the subsequent drive by responses against the Amish that pretty much took over. Certainly you were aware that was going to happen though. You know the people and how they respond to a title more than anyone. I think I have reached the limit of suggestions from a legal point to the industry until someone with actual legal experience can comment on my suggestions and pleas.

Being extremely active in animal rescue I am well aware of the Amish and their horrific treatment of animals. It's difficult for me to not hate these people. However, I equally must hate our govt. for allowing these things in the first place.

Anyway, good topic and one that is very dear to my heart. Everyone should ADOPT NOT SHOP for their family pets. Shut these places down forever! There are millions of dogs killed in our nation's shelters every year and to buy from breeders while innocent, beautiful, deserving animals are slaughtered is disgraceful, IMO.

P.S. All rescuers have stories of the animal auctions frequented by the Amish. It's literally sickening the condition of their animals and they really have absolutely no respect for the lives of their fellow beings.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

YOu will find that with certain types (usually vegans) - EVERY subject brought up for discussion comes back to "those who eat meat". Most animal rescuers can't stand these obnoxious, holier than thou, one note phonies.

For those of you comparing this abhorrent behavior to the current methods used to process food animals, I would like to draw your attention to this:

The "Puppy Mills" are not breeding these animals for our sustenance, they are breeding them to be our companions!!!!!!

Can you not see the difference here? If you can not, there really is no grounds for a debate here.

I grew up on a farm and depended on cattle, pigs and chickens for my food source. I personally have slaughtered all three so that my Granny and I could survive the winter. I have also had dogs as my companions most of my life and there is a HUGE difference.

There is a connection between a human and a dog that goes beyond description. I can not explain it, but I know it to be there. Love certainly gets close, but I believe it too be more than even that. Devotion, selfless sacrifice and companionship all get thrown into the mix when you take on a dog as one of your family.

I'm really sorry for any out there that have never felt that.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: yuppa
If you really want to demosnstate how much of a hypocrite the Amish can be as them About Shunning. Didnt it say in the Bible to Forgive? Obviously they Dont if they practice it.

Also...They are not HEBREWS so following the OT is not correct. thats part 2 of their hypocracy.

I don't believe that I have to say what is surely obvious here.

Replace what you just said about the Amish and replace the word Amish with any other group of choice and you will get my point.

Specifically the amish. because they throw the bible in your face because your not Amish(in private at least) Their whole Holier than thou art routine is what im talking about.

If this OP were written about muslim raping it would be called bigoted (incorrectly imo).

My curiosity is why standards apply to Amish when a minority of Amish do something deplorable but not other groups, both based in part of an overall ideology.

Where are all the pc baiters? Amish dont count? Why?

For the record I agree with the OP.

Actually, I am disappointed in the generalization of the title. Hoping that others will see that stereotypes are over-generalized and meaningless across the board. Animal cruelty is shameful. Yet, the real hypocrites are the ones who set the demand for puppy mills. No demand, no money.

Some can say go to shelters for a pet. I have and all shelters are not the same. Some expect nearly the same as a puppy to adopt, or you have to actually undergo a pseudo-vet security check. One even wanted to come and inspect my home! Seriously, I think that the focus of the extreme animal lover and vegan crowd is doing more damage to finding homes for so many deserving pets. My pets are spoiled and being short haired wear warm sweaters that I knit. It gets cold up here in the winter. My pets are just that though...they are not children. They are not human. FYI: don't say that last sentence at a shelter, though.

I just feel sorry for some of the dogs that I seen and was even willing to care for via necessary heartworm surgeries....they black listed me since I refused an invasion of my privacy. Now, the animal lovers out there may cry at me for not giving in and just let someone invade my privacy, but honestly, even with nothing to hide...some of these individuals, I would not even crack my door open, let alone allow them to enter into my home and 'case' my place.

Probably, makes me a hypocrit....but at least I can admit it. Waiting for the day when the other animal lovers recognize their own hypocrisies. Perhaps, then puppy mills will disappear.


I will admit my last dog was bought via fb for sale from owner. I am human and was not interested in going through the whole pony show I did with my rescued pitbull a few years ago.

a reply to: kiro8lak

So if you don't SEE it, it's OK??

No, it isn't okay. But you take the karma and you roll with it.

a reply to: kiro8lak

Live vegan, be an example. Words are so cheap.

I have a vegan friend or two. They look so gaunt and unhealthy. Their eyes and skin are dull. Not much of an example.

I mean, ya its terrible that dogs and horses are treated terribly, but what about the cows, pigs, and chickens that are raised and slaughtered in deplorable conditions? what makes them any different. I think its silly that there is a double standard, and how people call for the "animal rights" for dogs and horses but will eat pork chops for dinner.