Downed Russian SU-24 black box first information

originally posted by: Ploutonas
With these articles we can safely add "Turkey you have a problem" - Not even NATO can save you now.

Why? The examination of the box hasn't started. Russia is saying the same thing it said to begin with.

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

My link states that there independent specialists from Britain and China there while it's being studied. I know you got excited and put your comment in big red letters but I fail to see how them still waiting for data from the damaged cards relate to my post. They have stated

Three of eight chips from Su-24 jet's flight data recorder were completely damaged due to the Turkish F-16 missile strike, Sputnik News reported citing the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Unless you are trying to say that the British and Chinese specialists aren't there at all??

They have not yet arrived.

a reply to: Ploutonas

That would then make this a blatant attack on Russia. An act of war.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Ploutonas

That would then make this a blatant attack on Russia. An act of war.

Indeed, indeed Mr Watson....

originally posted by: drwire
just to add, russian su-24 use "walmart" grade GPS.


Check Out The Walmart-Grade GPS Systems In These Russian Attack Jets

foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com...

Just wondering...how relevant this is... is there something wrong with inexpensive GPS? I know, you're thinking they aren't as accurate as a "military grade" device, but, for the degree of error in the inexpensive device; in this context, the error is insignificant.

I was wondering the same thing, but, as you have answered my question...Russian data is more than sufficiently precise to formulate a proof here.

The only question left is; where does Russia think the borders are?

It is seriously beginning to appear as though Russia was right all along and they didn't violate Turkish air...even though early data made it "look" that way.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

My link states that there independent specialists from Britain and China there while it's being studied. I know you got excited and put your comment in big red letters but I fail to see how them still waiting for data from the damaged cards relate to my post. They have stated

Three of eight chips from Su-24 jet's flight data recorder were completely damaged due to the Turkish F-16 missile strike, Sputnik News reported citing the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Unless you are trying to say that the British
and Chinese specialists aren't there at all??

They have not yet arrived.

Went through it already, read the thread

a reply to: sosobad


For some additional and, IMO much needed context, it should be reiterated Turkey's role in what's commonly known as the Gladio operations, i.e. the stay-behind armies of NATO. These hidden reserves of high-end weaponry and  off-the-books soldiers (read mercenaries) were spread throughout Europe, kept secret to the greatest possible extent, ostensibly intended to serve as a first-response against a Soviet invasion. (This was the 1950s, but the operation grew a momentum of its own, and the secrecy it was charged with became a tool to keep it going long after its primary mission became obsolete at the fall of the USSR) From the very beginning however, these armies were mostly used against the citizens of Europe for various political agendas. 

wikispooks.com... - Please read this link, it is a great summary.

So here's the deal. There is a vast environment of secret operations hidden beneath the ostensible surface of Eurasian politics. The Caucasus region is especially important here. Back to Turkey - Turkey was initially chosen as the main staging ground for the entire operation. 

The reason this is so important is because Erdogan's actions - every regional player's actions - cannot be understood without knowing what's going on beneath the surface. NATO's involvement in these black operations against Syria and former Soviet nations is profound, and using false-flag terrorism against their own peoples is par for the course. 

Hopefully Turkey's behavior as a gangster with immunity (at least from the West) is a bit more clear now. So basically - instead of this being Turkey ostracizing itself from NATO, it's really more like George W. Bush bailing on the National Guard, knowing his dad would make it all go away. Unless NATO/US were responsible, which, given the context I just provided, is not unlikely. Provoking/containing Russia seems to be one of NATO's missions, based on their actions.

"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland. Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island. Who rules the World-Island commands the World." - Halford John Mackinder, 1919
The Geographical Pivot of History

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

f&@*en obviously the Muslims should solve their own problems. but its a bit too late for that idnit. ISIS could win that war easily.

Russia is about to learn what sort of gratitude "helping" Muslims solve their political problems gets. They've had a rocket fired at their embassy and had a passenger jet bombed.

and your little fantasy of the turks fighting ISIS is ridiculous. they have no interest in doing so.

If you say so.

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Well considering NATO and the US have to keep telling Turkey to do more, stop buying oil from isis, NATO is bringing in a whole defense system since the plane downing because they don't trust Ankara and Erdogan is more concentrated on the Kurds I would say he is right. Hell Turks themselves were cheering at the soccer game over the Paris shootings.
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