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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: FlySolo
This misbehavior does not, however, reflect the attitude of the vast majority of the refugees. But it entraps to a generalization that we do not want to follow.
Doesn't matter for the hate-crowd, they will use it anyway.
Next item on the list: more 'hate-crimes' and tighter security, there never was any other alternative to constant Wars on Everything in the first place.
*shakehead*
Brave New Idiocracy fwd! Where can I fetch my doubled portion of Soma?
originally posted by: stormcell
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: FlySolo
This misbehavior does not, however, reflect the attitude of the vast majority of the refugees. But it entraps to a generalization that we do not want to follow.
Doesn't matter for the hate-crowd, they will use it anyway.
Next item on the list: more 'hate-crimes' and tighter security, there never was any other alternative to constant Wars on Everything in the first place.
*shakehead*
Brave New Idiocracy fwd! Where can I fetch my doubled portion of Soma?
It only takes a few such bad people for the entire female population of a town or city to not want to go out at night or even go out during the day. Is that fair?
It only takes a few such bad people for the entire female population of a town or city to not want to go out at night or even go out during the day. Is that fair?
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: stormcell
It only takes a few such bad people for the entire female population of a town or city to not want to go out at night or even go out during the day. Is that fair?
Nobody knows who the perpetrator was, is it fair to blaim all the refugees then? It takes just a few sinister molestering right-wingers to create an atmosphere of hate and fear either.
Bear with me here! This is ATS, let's deny all that ignorance for a brief moment. At least until we've got some concrete info at hand.
What's worse, a few sound-the-alarm right-wingers advocating caution, or a bunch of nothing-to-see-here leftist media people downplaying dangerous situations?
originally posted by: Athetos
Hell where were the local men to give them a going away party. A going away to the hospital party no flowers needed....
a reply to: FlySolo
originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: FlySolo
Although certain traits are passed down to children from their parents like a higher chance of having an addiction or coming down with certain diseases, for the most part, I don't believe that any one group of people genetically have a predisposition for violence or to be hateful in general. These are learned behaviors. Although I believe it is true that some people are just born bad, for the most part if a newborn child whose parents are Neo-Nazis or ISIS... and that child was magically taken away just after birth and raised by kind, nurturing, dare I say "normal" people, in all likelihood that child would grow up to be a contributing member of society.
That being said.... My two cents....
It seems to me that many people refuse to believe that when you have an enormous mass migration from another part of the world with a very different culture, you are not just taking in the people but that culture as well. In the case of what is going on in Europe and the influx from the Middle East, you have to look at what the culture is like in the nations they are coming from. I will not say that over in the Middle East they are all rapists and murderers or anything like that. That is foolish. I will say that you have to look at the overall big picture of their countries of origin (something that is difficult because it appears to be complete chaos and nobody knows who is coming in from where, for the most part).
If people whose families for generations have lived in nations where women are essentially considered second class citizens, even those that don't necessarily beat their wives themselves are conditioned to tolerate that by their neighbors, if not accept it outright or as a fact of life. For those who were active women abusers in their home country and saw nothing wrong with it, why would they suddenly change their behavior by crossing a border into another nation?
Lastly, I don't believe anyone knows exactly what is going on there crime-wise. The big media has their agendas. The mall media has their agendas. Without witnessing anything first hand or knowing anyone personally whom has, I can only use my BS-meter on a story by story basis. Something that I do find frustrating to that end though, and it relates to something that is bothering me here in the United States as well, is the seemingly complete disregard by the governors for the safety of the governed.
Here in the United States, whenever a horrific crime is committed by a repeatedly deported illegal alien, people attempt to point out that "crimes by illegals, percentage-wise, is about on par with everyone else." To me, that is a joke because while you can't stop all crime, if a nation takes seriously the security of the borders and tracking those here on temporary permission, the number of crimes by those that should not be in the country SHOULD be exactly zero.
Obama and Merkel frustrate me beyond belief because I believe they do not understand their role. Their role is to protect the people within THEIR nations. While every nation needs to be involved in the world, it should never come at the expense, safety or security of the their citizens.
These migrants are not violent and crude because they are Arab or even Muslim; they are as they are because of their culture and environment. Theoretically they could shape up in a few years (or a generation or two). whether Europe is willing to wait for a few years or decades for assimilation is debatable, especially since Muslims are notoriously non-assimilating.
originally posted by: eluryh22
originally posted by: stormcell
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: FlySolo
This misbehavior does not, however, reflect the attitude of the vast majority of the refugees. But it entraps to a generalization that we do not want to follow.
Doesn't matter for the hate-crowd, they will use it anyway.
Next item on the list: more 'hate-crimes' and tighter security, there never was any other alternative to constant Wars on Everything in the first place.
*shakehead*
Brave New Idiocracy fwd! Where can I fetch my doubled portion of Soma?
It only takes a few such bad people for the entire female population of a town or city to not want to go out at night or even go out during the day. Is that fair?
You totally hit the nail on the head!!!
Why should some "guests" utterly shatter the lives of those that are (forced to) welcome the visitors?
Nobody knows who the perpetrator was, is it fair to blaim all the refugees then?
originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric If it had happened to me
Yes, it is fair.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: works4dhs
What's worse, a few sound-the-alarm right-wingers advocating caution, or a bunch of nothing-to-see-here leftist media people downplaying dangerous situations?
Right wing terror is the danger in this situation and some people tend to play down the real thread here. I can imagine right-winger harassing some people on an immigrant meeting to further spread hate and fearmongery either.
Either I explained myself incorrectly or you didn't understand one of the points I was making.
originally posted by: ParasuvO
originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: FlySolo
Although certain traits are passed down to children from their parents like a higher chance of having an addiction or coming down with certain diseases, for the most part, I don't believe that any one group of people genetically have a predisposition for violence or to be hateful in general. These are learned behaviors. Although I believe it is true that some people are just born bad, for the most part if a newborn child whose parents are Neo-Nazis or ISIS... and that child was magically taken away just after birth and raised by kind, nurturing, dare I say "normal" people, in all likelihood that child would grow up to be a contributing member of society.
That being said.... My two cents....
It seems to me that many people refuse to believe that when you have an enormous mass migration from another part of the world with a very different culture, you are not just taking in the people but that culture as well. In the case of what is going on in Europe and the influx from the Middle East, you have to look at what the culture is like in the nations they are coming from. I will not say that over in the Middle East they are all rapists and murderers or anything like that. That is foolish. I will say that you have to look at the overall big picture of their countries of origin (something that is difficult because it appears to be complete chaos and nobody knows who is coming in from where, for the most part).
If people whose families for generations have lived in nations where women are essentially considered second class citizens, even those that don't necessarily beat their wives themselves are conditioned to tolerate that by their neighbors, if not accept it outright or as a fact of life. For those who were active women abusers in their home country and saw nothing wrong with it, why would they suddenly change their behavior by crossing a border into another nation?
Lastly, I don't believe anyone knows exactly what is going on there crime-wise. The big media has their agendas. The mall media has their agendas. Without witnessing anything first hand or knowing anyone personally whom has, I can only use my BS-meter on a story by story basis. Something that I do find frustrating to that end though, and it relates to something that is bothering me here in the United States as well, is the seemingly complete disregard by the governors for the safety of the governed.
Here in the United States, whenever a horrific crime is committed by a repeatedly deported illegal alien, people attempt to point out that "crimes by illegals, percentage-wise, is about on par with everyone else." To me, that is a joke because while you can't stop all crime, if a nation takes seriously the security of the borders and tracking those here on temporary permission, the number of crimes by those that should not be in the country SHOULD be exactly zero.
Obama and Merkel frustrate me beyond belief because I believe they do not understand their role. Their role is to protect the people within THEIR nations. While every nation needs to be involved in the world, it should never come at the expense, safety or security of the their citizens.
Your whole post says that logic dictates the world and these people are simply making mistakes.