Halal only KFC in ENGLAND refuses to serve bacon

I'm sorry, but cutting a cows neck while it is fully conscience is not humane.

This is a practice from a long time ago. Today we as a people can do a better job. You don't have to just keep doing something because they did it 1400 years ago

a reply to: enlightenedservant

a reply to: Wildbob77
You think a sledgehammer is better than passing out and dying from bloodloss?
Ok.

Killing is killing. If you want to eat meat it means an animal dies.
modernfarmer.com...

I want to eat meat. It means animals die.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I killed three deer before I stopped hunting (still love to eat venison though).
Only one was a "clean" kill. A shot to the spine behind the head. The others were looking at me as I cut their throats to dispatch them. That (along with having to carry them out of the bush) was enough to make me quit but they died very quietly and calmly at that point.

Uhh, is that supposed to refute or prove my point that non-Muslims only protest the methods of killing animals when Islam is involved?

(Though if you simply meant it as friendly conversation, that's fine too. Personally, I think deer are gorgeous & have only been in 1 position where I might've had to hurt one.

Me & an ex were walking in a national park that has a heavy deer population. Usually the deer are friendly & even the bucks just watch you in an implied truce. But one time a young buck walked up to us & kept jerking its head at us. A similarly aged female deer was right behind it, & the full grown momma deer was laying down in the woods nearby, watching us.

Anyway, it was a short standoff between me & the young buck. I kept a certain distance between us because I didn't want to get boxed to sleep. But I also couldn't let it box my ex, who didn't seem to pick up on the temporary male rivalry. Eventually the 2 deer moved off of the trail & we went our separate ways. lol)

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Uhh, is that supposed to refute or prove my point that non-Muslims only protest the methods of killing animals when Islam is involved?

No.
It was meant to support the proposition that bleeding an animal to death is no more "inhumane" than other methods of dispatch.

originally posted by: Wildbob77
I'm sorry, but cutting a cows neck while it is fully conscience is not humane.

This is a practice from a long time ago. Today we as a people can do a better job. You don't have to just keep doing something because they did it 1400 years ago

a reply to: enlightenedservant

(facepalm) You're like a broken record. You ignore any information that doesn't fit your narrative then keep spouting the same thing. So I'll be a broken record too. lol

If you really think stunning is the humane thing to do before killing animals, then why don't you use stunning when hooking & killing fish? Or when boiling lobsters alive? Or when eating oysters when they're still alive? Or when killing chickens? Or when killing "vermin", like mice, rats, moles, groundhogs, raccoons, etc? Or on your hunting shows that show people killing deer with bows & arrows?

The thread is not about halal vs non-halal slaughter methods. Don't get off track. If you wanna discuss that, create another thread for it.

Just saying.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Uhh, is that supposed to refute or prove my point that non-Muslims only protest the methods of killing animals when Islam is involved?

No.
It was meant to support the proposition that bleeding an animal to death is no more "inhumane" than other methods of dispatch.

Oh. Good point then. After I saw your other post, I figured you meant to show that killing an animal is still killing an animal. And that there's no "safe" way to kill something, otherwise the living being wouldn't die from it (which seems pretty obvious when put like that).

a reply to: anticitizen

Nope. That is not what I was saying.
I said in addition to the humane/inhumane slaughter, intensive farming will also bring suffering to the animal.
In addition ...also...as well as.

And to repeat, the "humane" methods of slaughter will often fail to result in a clean kill. This I know as fact.
If you like to eat meat, you accept this fact.....but it makes no sense to dispute it.
I said it really makes no difference how it is slaughtered.....because the majority of people don't care.
To object to Halal /Kosher and try to say its on the grounds that the poor chickie suffers greatly is hypocritical or wrong or both.
You can object to Halal/Kosher or not ...I don't care either way. Hunters will also "bleed" their kill, before they butcher it.
Most meat consumers prefer to buy their meat nicely butchered, packed and weighed, without a single consideration for the animal it once was. Some even like it pre cooked in a tasty bun. The majority couldn't care less how it died.

Then you should be equally as outraged that Chick fil a is closed (read: refuses to open) on Sundays because, you know, it's owned by a christian who believes in not working on Sunday/the Sabbath.

Perhaps you should be more concerned and outraged with, you know, things that actually matter.

What? How dare they not cater to my needs! I have a right to bacon, they had better change their business plan.

Frickin' religious liberty...

originally posted by: BMorris
The thread is not about halal vs non-halal slaughter methods. Don't get off track. If you wanna discuss that, create another thread for it.

Just saying.

I don't think this thread is really about halal vs anti-halal or pro-Muslim or anti-Muslim either.

Personally I believe the halal thing is just a distraction from the real issue.

People are expressing outrage because they feel their normal way of life is being threatened.

They see large groups of people entering their towns and villages, receiving money, housing, and education free, while they are left homeless, broke, and if they won't to go to college, it is going to cost them a fortune.

They see people being given what they consider is preferential treatment, and they believe they are being held to a standard the asylum seekers are not held to. They see demands being accommodated to please the asylum seekers, while their demands are ignored, and if they are addressed, it is just to belittle the person, or to further validate their concerns of being over taken, by attack or dismissal.

It angers me also when the government has no defense for why they will provide housing, food, clothes, and a paycheck to asylum seekers, but not true for the native born citizens that are down on their luck, homeless and hungry. They are told there is no room in the end, and there just isn't enough money to meet their needs.

I used to have to get homeless patients up and discharged from the hospital by 0:700 am to get them to the shelter early enough for them to snag a bed for a couple of days, to recover from being in the hospital. If the shelter had no beds; then the homeless person had to recover in the streets, which usually led to them being readmitted for an infection or other complications. I have seen asylum seekers stay in the hospital for months, if not years because they had no place to go. We throw the native citizen into the streets with police escort, while asylum seekers live in the hospital like it is a hotel.

So people are angry, and I think they have every right to be. It is not about Muslims usurpers, it is about usurpers period. Muslims stick out because of their demand to hold on to their costumes and religious ways. I don't think people would mind much if the same efforts were being made for the native citizens, but it is not, and telling them to suck it up or go some place else if you don't like it, is the same as saying the native citizens have no rights and are not valid. If the native citizens told the asylum seekers to suck it up, or go someplace else, there would be blood in the streets.

You can't play a fair game when the deck is marked and the dice are loaded, and you can't blame people for not being happy about it.

This issue to KFC is simple...MONEY.

They saw an opportunity to make cash and took it. Most likely losing money so instead of closing down they decided to do this.

a reply to: anxiouswens

If you think KFC is part of our culture, I consider you as much of a problem as Muslims that want Sharia law here.

a reply to: anxiouswens

I am pretty sure that there aren't any "tourists" in Derby to get irked at not being able to buy bacon from one specific franchise of KFC...

Also, as a non-Muslim myself, I cannot say I have ever had any bacon product from KFC anyway.

Bottom line is, they are meeting a market demand. If this franchise doesn't conform to your idea of an ideal eatery, many other establishments exist.

I'll have to assume that you are also against (and have always been against) Kosher food outlets as well?

What's the big deal?

Our way or the highway.

-Islam

originally posted by: TheInhumanCentipede
Our way or the highway.

-Islam

Or, in reality - "Our way, or you're more than welcome to use the other KFC joint down the road which does have bacon on the menu - it's up to you, we really don't mind or care."

originally posted by: TheInhumanCentipede
Our way or the highway.

-Islam

And by that, you mean:

1. Say: O disbelievers!
2. I worship not that which ye worship;
3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.
4. And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Surah 109, Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers)
www.khayma.com...

I'm thinking this whole bacon things is nuts. Who cares? A business does what it wants to increase 'business'.

And those saying "but this is really about the bigger issue" -- what? As far as I can tell from the title, it's about bacon.

Much ado about nothing.

originally posted by: angeldoll
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And those saying "but this is really about the bigger issue" -- what? As far as I can tell from the title, it's about bacon.

It seems to be more about the Boogey Muslims hiding under everyone's bed waiting to convert you to a bacon-free lifestyle under threat of annihilation.

I would ask the Original Poster but they bailed after the opening post.

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