Last Night's GOP Debate

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Like I said earlier, I do not like Cruz but he was dead on.

Regarding the media and the debate orchestration? YES, he was.

THEN, though, unfortunately, he took advantage of his "denied time" and spouted some crap about being "Born Again" when the subject was debt limits. Totally random injection of something that was NOT on the table.

That was when I paused it and made this thread.
Hell, the entire debate premise was titled "Your Money, Your Vote." And yet it dissolved into schoolyard bullying, shouting down, defense/offense kind of stuff.

Anyway - I still have to go watch the other half.

Guys and gals, there's a link in the OP if you want to watch it. I'll be back in an hourish.

Thanks for participating.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Regarding the media and the debate orchestration? YES, he was.

Which is the major issue with the quality of this debate.

THEN, though, unfortunately, he took advantage of his "denied time" and spouted some crap about being "Born Again" when the subject was debt limits. Totally random injection of something that was NOT on the table.

That exchange took place at 30:00 minutes in and he was not allowed to address the debt limit question after his rant and I did not hear anything about 'born again'. They went right to Rand Paul at that point.

Are you sure you heard this and if so, where?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: crazyewok

I think that's why Sanders is at least consistent as he is not really under the same influence. Its just a shame his policy's will likely be unworkable in the USA.

I agree that he is consistent (which is laudable) but I find many of his fiscal views to be wholly unacceptable.

agreed, even as a liberal, I think you need more budgetary restraint than some of sander's proposals would require....however, on the republican side, I heard about tax cuts that if you dig deep enough, pay off for the wealthiest in our country. plus, I keep hearing about this move to cut corporate taxes, with the republicans using the excuse that Europe has a much lower corporate tax rate than the U.S....yes they do....what they fail to include in that sentence, is that individual taxes are much higher, off-setting the lower corporate rate....this constant decades-long mantra to keep cutting taxes, doesn't make sense with a growing population and a higher GNP, which both require raises in tax revenue to manage and regulate. another truth that is conveniently left out of the conversation.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

In general, I am amazed at what a carnival/reality show this debate was/is.

Perhaps you did not give the debate a fair amount of viewership before you made such conclusions?

I was waiting for all the debaters to ask each other out on a date.

It was quite reveling to see the hate cnbc has for them and that seemed to bring them closer as a group.

originally posted by: jimmyx
....this constant decades-long mantra to keep cutting taxes, doesn't make sense with a growing population and a higher GNP, which both require raises in tax revenue to manage and regulate. another truth that is conveniently left out of the conversation.

Tax reform needs to be coupled with budgetary/agency reform. One without the other is useless.

Okay, now I just saw Kasich try to derail the marijuana question (about how Colorado, the host state of this circus has earned $150 MILLION in revenue since it started trade in that industry).

He didn't answer the question, he said something more along the lines of "overdoses." And then went off on a different tangent altogether.

For the record, people: marijuana is NOT a drug that people "overdose" on."

lol colo brownies kinda stumped the mod

a reply to: deadeyedick

I am now at one hour and seventeen minutes - only 35 minutes to go til the end.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus


I thought the moderators did a poor job in both controlling the times the candidates spoke and with the irrelevant questions they were asking. I am not a Cruz fan at all but he made a good point with his rant.

I personally think there were too many people on the stage and they need to winnow them down prior to the next debate.

Me thinks the field will be winnowed slightly next debate. I heard some pundits (conservatives) say that Jeb should consider hanging it up right now.

a reply to: UnBreakable

You know, Jeb seems like the "nicest guy" up there. I don't agree with him, or his legacy of his family's dynastic reign, but, I feel kinda bad for him.

I agree, he should just drop out.

a reply to: deadeyedick

No, it didn't "stump" the mod. He gestured that he would consider it a good thing.......like, "okay! Now I'm listening!"

LOL!!!!!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs


To me it looked like someone thirsty walking through the desert was just shown a picture of a waterfall.

You could tell that everybody wanted to speak their opinions about it but the issue was quickly killed.

It would be crazy to see the mods and debaters be jailed for discussing such.

Sounds farfetched but there is a fine line there.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

From what I've read about this debate is that the moderators sucked and appeared to be unprepared for the debate. Also it looks like Bush' campaign is on its death throes. This debate was supposed to reinvigorate his campaign and instead it did the opposite.

a reply to: WeRpeons

That's for sure. I know a lot of people who are just watching it to get a laugh out of the next outrageous comment Trump dishes out.

If I watch another one of them, that will be exactly why!

It seems like all the candidates, except for maybe Carson and Carly, they're starting to follow Trumps lead. The whole debate just didn't seem very presidential.

Truth.

They had a point in attacking the moderators, but no matter how much you dislike the questions, nobody is telling you to attack another candidate!

Right!? I think it's great that they called out the "mods" (the media manipulation), but - the rest of it?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jimmyx
....this constant decades-long mantra to keep cutting taxes, doesn't make sense with a growing population and a higher GNP, which both require raises in tax revenue to manage and regulate. another truth that is conveniently left out of the conversation.

Tax reform needs to be coupled with budgetary/agency reform. One without the other is useless.

agreed....but let's take a look at the idea of "tax reform"....this website outlines what has happened to the IRS, and it's ability to function...
www.cbpp.org...
it would seem that the IRS needs more personnel and funding, rather than the opposite

a reply to: deadeyedick

You could tell that everybody wanted to speak their opinions about it but the issue was quickly killed.

It would be crazy to see the mods and debaters be jailed for discussing such.

It's a HUGE issue right now.

It would be crazy NOT to bring it up. This issue will NOT be swept under the rug again.

a reply to: WeRpeons

That's the tactic, say something outrageous and offensive -- when you are called out on it, turn yourself into the victim. You turn it around and blame those criticizing you for being "PC"...then you declare that you "don't do PC".

It works, mainly because it appeals to people's underlying anger and emotions.

I've seen the GOP use this more and more frequently.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I also think that the reason that the debate was considered so lackluster is because Trump didn't spend as much time in the spotlight shouting Trumpisms. Apparently both Trump and Carson spent much of the night with long gaps between talking.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UnBreakable

You know, Jeb seems like the "nicest guy" up there. I don't agree with him, or his legacy of his family's dynastic reign, but, I feel kinda bad for him.

I agree, he should just drop out.

What did him in last night was his attack on Rubio which backfired. Jeb's demoralized attempt at grinning says it all.

originally posted by: jimmyx

it would seem that the IRS needs more personnel and funding, rather than the opposite

The goddamned Internal Revenue Service would not need personnel or funding if there were not 70,000+ pages of tortuous, ponderous code that needed to be navigated.

If I could choke it to death with a garrote I would.