Western Christians stop with the persecution complex.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Some do not need a adult naughty step to scare them into being good people.
We don't need a religion to be good.

I don't get your point.

What are you doing to improve the world
since you want religion out of it?
What are you doing to make the lives of
others better since you think religion is evil?

I never said you weren't good,
but are you actually contributing in any positive
way to the world through your actions in
order to convince people that
religion is evil
and your way is the one and only good way?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Do you know what I do for a living?.

You don't get my point eh?.
Well you brag about doing all you do is that because you are Christian? or just a good person?
Like I said you don't need religion to be good.
And yes I do a lot of good in my life for others.
Oh and If my words can help people escape the shackles of religion yes Iam doing good there also.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I don't personally know a single
Christian who forces people to
talk to them about their faith.

The word 'force' is being thrown around all willy nilly.

Force would imply persuasion via threat. That's not the kind of persuasion being invoked here.

Interpreting mere words over the internet as 'force' is certainly indicative of playing the victim. Which is the OP point.

You're accusing atheists of trying to force atheism onto Christians. How can you truly say that's the case? I wouldn't say i've experienced Christians forcing me to convert. Just like you, I am free to ignore their words entirely. We have that power. We are hardly being forced to believe anything, regardless of which side we are on.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Do you know what I do for a living?.

You don't get my point eh?.
Well you brag about doing all you do is that because you are Christian? or just a good person?
Like I said you don't need religion to be good.
And yes I do a lot of good in my life for others.
Oh and If my words can help people escape the shackles of religion yes Iam doing good there also.

I'm not asking you to brag.

I just made a list of the few things my friends and I do.
It wasn't bragging.
I was asked what we do to evangelize and I answered the question as
to how and why we evalgelize.

Now back to you.
What do you do that is a positive influence
that shows others the shackles of religion
and that religion is evil - and you can show
them the only way to true happiness.
I'm not asking you to brag.
How do you evangelize to others to
show how evil and shackled Christians are?
How do you make the world a better place
for everyone while convincing them that
Christians and Christianity are evil?
How do you positively contribute to the
world and to others lives in such a way that
it shows them the light of your way of thinking
that religion is evil and bad?

Your paid employment doesn't count,
my Dr. friend runs the aids clinic for free
and uses his own money.

double post

a reply to: grandmakdw

I tend to show them the contents of their own book. Lots of evil inherent in its pages.

Whats interesting to me, is no one is actually getting their Religious Freedom taken away, no one is preventing anyone from Believing anything. Religion is a Belief system, it's "Faith" you believe in, but not everyone believes in the same, or the same way.

Marriage Equality, Interracial Marriage, Woman's Rights, GLBTQ+ Protections, none of that takes away anyone's right to believe. all that does is say you can't use your Religion as a Weapon or as a shield to hide behind your discrimination and/or hate

Just because more people are speaking out about it, and calling people out on their Hate or Discrimination doesn't mean you are being banned from Believing in something, it's just people are not going to let a Religious Tyranny happen, and let Religion Rule or Create Laws over people that maybe don't believe the same as you

a reply to: grandmakdw

Oh come now you show me where I have said Christians are evil.
You are showing your persecution side again.
If you can not see that religion shackles people from a young age there is no hope for you.
That is why they like to get them young to hammer it into their heads.
Showing others how religion taints everything and poisons it all also helps.



Hitch says it better then me.

But shall I tell you why I fight religion? why I started studying it? because it was used against me many many times.
People telling me I will goto hell for not accepting Jesus and family members who are religious telling my uncle he will burn in hell.
Sorry dude but enough was enough I see through the lies of religion.
Pity you can not.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Your paid employment doesn't count,
my Dr. friend runs the aids clinic for free
and uses his own money.

Getting paid renders an action ineligible from being an example of a positive contribution to society??

lol wat.

So we should expect neurosurgeons to go through university, medical school, residency, fellowship... and then save peoples lives in 8+ hour long surgeries for free if they want to feel like they're contributing something good in this World?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Watch this and tell me your religion is moral.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
Whats interesting to me, is no one is actually getting their Religious Freedom taken away, no one is preventing anyone from Believing anything. Religion is a Belief system, it's "Faith" you believe in, but not everyone believes in the same, or the same way.

Marriage Equality, Interracial Marriage, Woman's Rights, GLBTQ+ Protections, none of that takes away anyone's right to believe. all that does is say you can't use your Religion as a Weapon or as a shield to hide behind your discrimination and/or hate

Just because more people are speaking out about it, and calling people out on their Hate or Discrimination doesn't mean you are being banned from Believing in something, it's just people are not going to let a Religious Tyranny happen, and let Religion Rule or Create Laws over people that maybe don't believe the same as you

Yet I am not allowed to call people out
who say all Christians
are homophobes
(not true, I don't care at all if you are gay or transgender, live and let live)
I have a Dr. friend who runs a free clinic for AIDS patients with his own money because he is a Christian and thinks it is the right thing to do

who say all Christians
hate women and want to subjugate all women
because they disagree with abortion
(again not me, up until 24 weeks, well it's the law
and there is no changing that, so get over it if
people disagree, so what, it's not changing)

who say all Christians
condemn all non-Christians to hell
(really? I don't know of a single Christian who
has gleefully said to another "you are going to hell";
I don't even know a single Christian who has uttered those words -
all my friends agree that we don't know other people's hearts
and only God can judge)

oh, yes, love the all Christians are judgmental
(see above, only God judges in the end and
real Christians love others and leave the judging
to God)

I could go on an on about the abusive and ugly
things people say about Christians
and claim that they are being tolerant

Sure there are a few so called Christians
who behave this way.
There are also lots of people around
the world killing Christians, and calling
for an end to their religion.

Why aren't Christians allowed to call out those
who verbally abuse them?
Who mischaracterize them?
Why the double standard?
Why must Christians be silent when being called names?

Why must Christians wait until the verbal abuse
increases to the point of real persecution?
What is wrong with pointing out that these
evil and hateful things that are said about
all Christians are just that evil and hateful and
verbally abuse and ugly?
Why are we not allowed to ask that this behavior
stop and fight back when it happens?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Really? I turned down a job last month doubling my wage because I could not leave my dudes.
I could leave tmr and get a better job and pay without all the stress and actual harm that comes to me but I don't because I love the people I look after.
I do a good moral job I wish I could leave because then I wouldn't have money worries and actually have a couple of quid in the bank.
Do I do it because a book has told me to look after the less fortunate? nope I do it because it feels right, it feels good and I love my dudes and I put humanity before anything else.
Unlike the religious who put their own souls first.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I think that's a stretch and a half, but seeing how I doubt I'll ever get around to researching it, I'm not going to try and convince you.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Really? I turned down a job last month doubling my wage because I could not leave my dudes.
I could leave tmr and get a better job and pay without all the stress and actual harm that comes to me but I don't because I love the people I look after.
I do a good moral job I wish I could leave because then I wouldn't have money worries and actually have a couple of quid in the bank.
Do I do it because a book has told me to look after the less fortunate? nope I do it because it feels right, it feels good and I love my dudes.

So you never said,
what are you doing to make
the world a better place
and so convince them that
religion is evil and puts
people in shackles?

You condemn Christians who
are doing these things as being
shackled to a book and so doing
good works and helping neighbors
and helping all kinds of people,
without pay.

What do you do to get out the message
of your truth in a positive way
that benefits others in concrete and
demonstrable ways that religion is evil?
How do you show them that is a positive
and good message to find religion evil?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Oh give me a BREAK. His job is likely much more valuable to the world than yours is, considering he helps care for adults no one else wants to touch with a 10 foot pole because of their mental status. THAT is a hero's work, paid or not.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: grandmakdw

Your paid employment doesn't count,
my Dr. friend runs the aids clinic for free
and uses his own money.

Getting paid renders an action ineligible from being an example of a positive contribution to society??

lol wat.

So we should expect neurosurgeons to go through university, medical school, residency, fellowship... and then save peoples lives in 8+ hour long surgeries for free if they want to feel like they're contributing something good in this World?

Getting paid is being rewarded and neurosurgeons get big big bucks for what they do.

People will do nearly anything for money.

What makes people selfless
and demonstrates a true
caring for mankind,
is what they do for free.

Not what they do to get things for themselves.

a reply to: grandmakdw

So a good selfless person is contingent on doing everything for free. I take it you're all for everything in life being totally free so all people can go about their business in life helping others in need or for the simple good of it? Without having to worry about how they're going to eat a meal or pay their bills, right?

You footing the bill for this personally?

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: grandmakdw

Oh give me a BREAK. His job is likely much more valuable to the world than yours is, considering he helps care for adults no one else wants to touch with a 10 foot pole because of their mental status. THAT is a hero's work, paid or not.

I never said his work wasn't valuable or good.

I simply want to know the positive impact
his message of religion is evil
(since he posted a video saying that the
person in the video said it better than he could)

I want to know how he or his friends who hate religion
are making the world a better place
in concrete ways
and thus convincing the world that religion is evil.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I see his point very clearly. For him to do his line of work, it doesn't take being threatened with damnation for him to do it. It means something to him to help special needs adults, which in turn means something to them on their own level of understanding. Overall, it's showing the world he doesn't need religion as a reason to do good. If you have to have that religious incentive to do anything at all, your morals are questionable in the first place. Always be wary of the people who need religious incentives to be kind.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I don't need to preach from the rooftops that religion is evil.
Religion is doing that itself and many have woken up to it.
Once you could not tell folk you don't believe in Religion you were shunned (still happening in some places) now it is okay not to follow religion.
I make the world a better place by doing the little things in life, things that help people have a good day.
I don't need threats of Hell to do this like some I do it because it feels right.