State Department Must List Gun-Loving NRA As Terrorist Organization

Here we go. Anyone not see this one coming.

BTW- they don't want to take your guns...say that 3 times and click your heels together, spin 3 times and ram your head in the sand... LOL

www.nydailynews.com...

State Department must list gun-loving NRA as terrorist organization

One terrorist group is responsible for more civilian deaths since December 2012 (the Sandy Hook massacre) than Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas and the Taliban. Yet it is the only nearly-state sponsored terrorist group that is not listed by the U.S. State Department as such.

It is the National Rifle Association and for their unending lobbying that’s kept a lid on gun control we now have 428 times more American deaths by gun than deaths by foreign terrorists.

In that time, Americans have murdered or spree killed via gun and assault rifle, 87,423 people in the United States.


Therefore the NRA should take its rightful place on the State Department list of terrorist organizations, because its influence is more of an immediate threat to the lives of our citizens than foreign terrorists.

Although the NRA is not an officially state-sponsored organization it is the supporter of the state with its massive member and lobbyist donations to our elected officials.

Yeah, bull crap article. We have had this discussion before, take out 50-60K in suicides, etc. etc.

a reply to: infolurker

How about the other way around? I mean the Feds killed way more people than the NRA.

Can we list Planned Parenthood as a terrorist organization as well?

They have killed more people.

nydailynews is practically the Onion of the Big Apple in my view. Ney York is historically elitist snobfest territory. Lots of New Yorkers in the city at least think everyone should be disarmed and somehow that will bring safety. It is a mindset born of much social engineering going back for a long long time.

a reply to: infolurker


Just curious, as the article says "murdered or spree killed" have they not maybe accounted for the suicides and whatnot?

Even they haven't, twenty thousand people, (give or take a few thousand) is an AWFUL lot of needless deaths, wouldn't you agree?

a reply to: infolurker

Love the logic, therefore Congress and the White-house are terrorist organizations then - makes sense when you think about the decisions they have made and what they have instructed the US military to do.

Pretty sure that in October 2001 most Afghans were in a state of terror, as were most Iraqi's in 2003 - all thanks to relentless mega-freedoms of democracy that the Congress and WH terrorist organizations dished out.

Go home State dept, your drunk.

Yaaaawnn! Nothing to get emotional about. I own a couple hammers, a few rocks and knowledge. I can get a "gun" when I need one. This OP must be of the emotional type.

a reply to: infolurker

State Department must list gun-loving NRA as terrorist organization

Lol. Let's go after Chevy and McDonald's next.

Cars and heart disease kill way more people

!a reply to: Sublimecraft


They're not talking about any of them though, are they?

They're talking about the NRA, who you haven't mentioned once in your entire post. They're talking about them, and Americas gun owning population in general, and how many deaths could possibly be avoided if either of these groups would even consider any kind of change.

Deflect it onto other (admittedly worse) organizations though. It's all gravy.

originally posted by: BelowBottomSecret
a reply to: infolurker


Just curious, as the article says "murdered or spree killed" have they not maybe accounted for the suicides and whatnot?

Even they haven't, twenty thousand people, (give or take a few thousand) is an AWFUL lot of needless deaths, wouldn't you agree?

850 murders by legally owned guns, but it’s a far cry from more than 32,000 per year.

hotair.com...

Straight from the CDC where most of the media is drawing their numbers (while not as good of a source as the FBI or the Justice Department) we can find out that of those 32,352 gun deaths, 21,175 of them were suicides. That leaves us with 11,177 deaths to account for. But as it turns out, the FBI records that 8,583 deaths were murders of various sorts involving guns of all types. The remaining roughly 2,500 were accounted for by accidents and unintentional injuries. These include hunting accidents, toddlers getting hold of unsecured weapons and shooting somebody or just plain idiots who proved Darwin right.

Before we move on, those FBI numbers deserve a closer look for a moment since we’re on the subject. What sorts of guns are used in actual crimes? I bring this up because each mass shooting elicits renewed calls for an “assault weapons” ban on guns like the AR-15 style rifle. Are those popular in crimes? Check out the figures from the FBI report.

Take a good look at those numbers. Of the actual 8,583 gun murders committed in 2011, 323 were committed with “rifles.” And that’s all rifles, including bolt action, deer hunting rifles and all the rest. The number committed with so called “assault rifles” were a fraction of that. When you ask how dangerous those rifles are, compare that to nearly 1,700 who were stabbed as well as nearly 500 murdered with blunt objects and and more than 700 beaten to death by somebody with their bare hands. Enough said on that topic.

So we’re down to 8,583 intentional killings using guns. That’s still one heck of a lot of bodies, and surely enough to justify new background checks and other restrictions on legal gun purchases, right? Again… not even close. The Justice Department has been studying the question of legal vs. illegal sources of guns used in crimes for decades, going back to this study issued in the early nineties. They admit that the numbers are simply too hard to track for us to pin down exact figures, but the trends are steady over the years. The vast majority of guns used in crimes were gotten through illegal means outside the legal purchase regimen followed by law abiding gun owners. Roughly one quarter of inmates convicted of gun crimes admitted to having stolen a gun in that study. For the ones that weren’t stolen directly, another 2004 study showed that 40% of convicts bought their guns on the black market and another 37% got them through the “gray market” in various illegal methods.

In fact, one study after another has shown that legally purchased weapons which followed all the normal firearms transfer rules accounted for somewhere between six and eight percent of all murders. And the majority of those were domestic violence incidents, violence between family members, crimes of passion and, yes… murders committed by the insane. But let’s give the gun grabbers the benefit of the doubt, round it up and say that ten percent were committed with legally purchases guns. That works out to around 850.

850 is too many people, but it’s a far cry from more than 32,000 per year.

Gotta love 'liberal' logic there.

One terrorist group is responsible for more civilian deaths since December 2012 (the Sandy Hook massacre) than Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas and the Taliban. Yet it is the only nearly-state sponsored terrorist group that is not listed by the U.S. State Department as such.

That is what they call a equivocation fallacy.

For an argument to work, words must have the same meaning each time they appear in its premises or conclusion. Arguments that switch between different meanings of words equivocate, and so don’t work. This is because the change in meaning introduces a change in subject. If the words in the premises and the conclusion mean different things, then the premises and the conclusion are about different things, and so the former cannot support the latter.

Logic Fallacy.

a reply to: BelowBottomSecret

They're talking about the NRA, who you haven't mentioned once in your entire post. They're talking about them, and Americas gun owning population in general,

1. The NRA has not personally killed anyone.
2. 99% of American gun owners have not killed anyone either.

The comparison to terrorists that HAVE killed people simply DOES NOT WORK.

a reply to: BelowBottomSecret
Knives Kill More People Each Year Than Rifles: Time For Knife Control?

thefederalist.com...

According to crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more often than rifles are used. And the numbers aren’t even close: five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year.

The FBI statistics show that knives have been used as a murder weapon far more often than rifles — even those evil “assault weapons” we hear so much about — for quite a while. In 2013, knives or other cutting instruments were used to kill 1,490 victims. In contrast, rifles were the cause of death of 285 murder victims.

a reply to: infolurker

Oh ffs. The NRA does not condone or support murder. That is all.

ETA the reason there are so few "terrorist" deaths is because there arent any terrorists. Its all a big fat hoax.

Quit crapping out the word terrorist. You look like a complete asshole if you call people you don't agree with terrorists.

I can't believe we've gotten to a point where the word terrorist has been bandied about so much it's lost all meaning and some people treat it like Kleenex for people they think are wrong. Is the NRA intentionally killing people and claiming those kills to scare and bully the populace into submission?

a reply to: infolurker


That's an awful lot of number twisting if you dont mind me saying mate. You've managed to get 32,352, down to 8,583 with some logic, but then jump a whole 90% down to 850 based on unfounded assumptions and guesses.

You're right in saying 850 is too many, 1 is too many. I'll be leaving this one alone though.


**Backs away from the room**

a reply to: BelowBottomSecret

Criminals always get guns.

There's billion of guns in the world.

There's millions of criminals in the world.

Who is strong enough to confiscate all guns without killing anybody?

a reply to: BelowBottomSecret

Wish I could go with you, just based on your avatar, bubs.

But I can't. If you're concerned with avoiding possible deaths, you have more pressing issues than legally owned guns.

Keep collecting those shopping carts though.

Don't ask for a war you don't have the nuts to fight.

a reply to: infolurker
By that logic (or lack thereof) automobile clubs are responsible for all of the deaths caused by crashes.
Funny how they blame the guns. I have one and it hasn't killed anyone. It must be a pacifist.