GOP debate puts vaccinations back in the spotlight

GOP debate puts vaccinations back in the spotlight

I watched most of last night's debate, but I missed this. Darn!

In last night’s CNN debate, Jake Tapper told Ben Carson that Donald Trump has linked vaccines and autism. Citing Carson’s background as a medical professional, the moderator asked, “Should Mr. Trump stop saying this?” It seemed like an obvious opportunity for Carson to highlight his scientific expertise.

It didn’t turn out that way.

Apparently this journalist considers his vast experience and scientific expertise greater than that of a pediatric surgeon with a "Dr." in front of his name and an "MD" after it. Dr. Carson's answer?

“Well, let me put it this way, there has – there have been numerous studies, and they have not demonstrated that there is any correlation between vaccinations and autism.

“This was something that was spread widely 15 or 20 years ago, and it has not been adequately, you know, revealed to the public what’s actually going on. Vaccines are very important. Certain ones. The ones that would prevent death or crippling. There are others, there are a multitude of vaccines which probably don’t fit in that category, and there should be some discretion in those cases. But, you know, a lot of this is pushed by big government.”

Carson has previously stated:

It is true that we are giving way too many vaccines in too short a period of time. A lot of pediatricians now recognize that and are cutting down on the number, and the proximity, and I think that's appropriate.

Since Trump's name had been invoked, he was entitled to reply, and of course he did:

Trump, naturally, weighed in, insisting that autism “has become an epidemic” and has “gotten totally out of control.” The Republican frontrunner added, “I am totally in favor of vaccines, but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time.”

And the other doctor candidate, Rand Paul, added his two cents:

“I’m all for vaccines. But I’m also for freedom. I’m also a little concerned about how they’re bunched up. My kids had all of their vaccines, and even if the science doesn’t say bunching them up is a problem, I ought to have the right to spread out my vaccines out a little bit at the very least.”

Not what the forced vaxxers wanted to hear I'm sure... Age of Autism and Natural News weighed in....

(NaturalNews) During the widely televised Republican debates hosted by CNN, debate moderators tried to destroy Donald Trump with a "gotcha" question about vaccines and autism.

As Natural News readers know, a top CDC scientist has publicly confessed to taking part in the CDC's fraudulent cover-up of data linking vaccines to autism in African-Americans. Both the CDC and the mainstream media -- including CNN -- have gone to tremendous lengths to censor this news, bury the truth and pretend that vaccines have no links to autism.

(Age of Autism) As I said, I have a lot more questions, but I'd be happy to see these talked about. CNN, Fox, New York Daily News, and all the rest in mainstream media are so quick to attack these candidates for even talking about vaccines. What does that tell us about the power of the pharmaceutical industry over our news?

Indeed, the PC Vax Police were out in force to totally and completely discredit such heresy... well, they tried anyway. Me thinks they protestest too much. A few headlines:

Washington Post: The GOP’s dangerous ‘debate’ on vaccines and autism

Huffington Post: Donald Trump, Ben Carson Pander To Vaccine Deniers

ABC: Experts Call Republican Candidates' Vaccine Claims 'False' and 'Dangerous'

The Atlantic: How Donald Trump and Ben Carson Stoked Vaccine Fears During the Republican Debate

No fearmongering there, eh?

I really really REALLY hope the candidates continue raising very loud questions about the safety of vaccines, and the accelerated schedule forced upon our babies. I want this to be an election issue.

There has been a lot of evidence that too many vaccines in too short a time-frame can cause autism. The problem is you have all the big pharma corporate money and the Government trying to suppress this information. Even so people are waking up to the problem.

I hope that the debates can have an effect on getting this important information out there in the public domain.

It's probably unwise to underestimate the lengths to which a hyperpowerful industry headed by greedy bastards will go in order to maintain and grow demand for its products.

a reply to: Boadicea

Trump is a giant straw man they have set up to knock down. The vaccination issue sold it for me. He is being used to discredit the pro choice (anti-vax) movement. All intelligent anti vax will now be lumped in with the court jester they've thrown in the ring to have a laugh at. Soon trump will be the laughing stock of the media and his antivax views.

Mark my words

a reply to: Metallicus

Is there really though?

What is the time frame they say we should give them then?

two interesting links ....

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program


How the Government has Earned $3.5 BILLION from the Claim that Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism


Hmmm.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Boadicea

Trump is a giant straw man they have set up to knock down. The vaccination issue sold it for me. He is being used to discredit the pro choice (anti-vax) movement. All intelligent anti vax will now be lumped in with the court jester they've thrown in the ring to have a laugh at.

If it were only Trump saying it, I might agree. But instead it's two doctors saying it, and Trump agreeing. If that was the plan, the good doctors Carson and Paul threw a wrench into that plan!

In the end, it doesn't matter what the politicians say, it's what the people think...

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Boadicea

Trump is a giant straw man they have set up to knock down. The vaccination issue sold it for me. He is being used to discredit the pro choice (anti-vax) movement. All intelligent anti vax will now be lumped in with the court jester they've thrown in the ring to have a laugh at. Soon trump will be the laughing stock of the media and his antivax views.

Mark my words

Here's how I see it: The vax issue is not Trump's, it's Carson's. Carson will be the republican nominee, and Trump will break from republicans and split the conservative vote throwing the race to democrats.

But Carson's role is largely to mainstream the idea of mandatory vaccinations amongst conservative voters and by the time the election is over, they will be fully behind such a blatant socialist policy and well-versed in arguing the issue.

However, it will be the democratic nominee -- Bernie Sanders -- who will win and will make mandatory vaccinations a reality.

That's my non-partisan cynical view anyway.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really really hope you're wrong!!!

The crazy season is young... and the voters are feeling rogue. Among other things, I'm hoping that if the candidates and the people keep the attention on the known concerns with vaccines, that more whistleblowers will feel safe to come forward...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really really hope you're wrong!!!

The crazy season is young... and the voters are feeling rogue. Among other things, I'm hoping that if the candidates and the people keep the attention on the known concerns with vaccines, that more whistleblowers will feel safe to come forward...

Ha! I won't take it the wrong way. I hope I am wrong, too.

a reply to: Boadicea

Carson has said he wants mandatory vax I believe?

I don't carecwhat lip service they pay to delayed schedule. Its the mandatory vax that's the problem. Unless Carson is really against it but can't say so for fear of being ostracized by the medical community. I don't know what his stance is actually.

originally posted by: xuenchen
two interesting links ....

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

How the Government has Earned $3.5 BILLION from the Claim that Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism

Hmmm.

Wow. Just wow. Thanks for the links. (I highly recommend reading the second link xuenchen posted)

For example, did you know that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has accumulated $3.5 BILLION in vaccine tax revenue which is currently “sitting” in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund? This trust fund was established in 1988 “to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines.” The money in this fund comes from a $0.75 excise tax on vaccines recommended by the CDC. In other words, you the taxpayer fund it – not the drug companies. The problem is that the government hires the best attorneys available (with your tax dollars) to litigate against families with vaccine damaged children (dead or alive) who are trying to collect from this fund. Those who are successful could spend up to 10 years trying to prove their case in a special court designated for vaccine injury compensation. So the result is that there has always been a surplus in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund, and it has now grown to $3.5 BILLION this year.

And as far as autism injuries:

How did this special vaccine court deal with these thousands of cases of autism that were filed as injuries caused by vaccines?

Simple. They took 3 “test cases” that they said represented all of them, and litigated against those claims. Their own appointed judges then ruled in each case that vaccines were not the cause of their autism. Then they told everyone else that their autism could not have been caused by vaccines, and that they would pay no damages for all those thousands of children suffering with autism. This was all part of what is called The Omnibus Autism Proceeding.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Boadicea

Carson has said he wants mandatory vax I believe?

Yep:

Republican Ben Carson said on Tuesday vaccinations should be mandatory, with no religious or philosophical exemptions, and schools should check to make sure children have received them.

Carson on Mandatory Vaccinations

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Boadicea

Carson has said he wants mandatory vax I believe?

I don't carecwhat lip service they pay to delayed schedule. Its the mandatory vax that's the problem. Unless Carson is really against it but can't say so for fear of being ostracized by the medical community. I don't know what his stance is actually.

I thought Carson had supported mandatory vax too, but all I was seeing today was comments questioning the vax. (I looked, but didn't look too hard.) If I do find it, I'll post it... I hope you'll do the same. Gotta keep an eagle eye on these prez wannabes.

The mandatory vax is the big problem and the end goal, I totally agree. But I also think that all negative attention brought to the vax themselves is another reason to challenge forced vax.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: zardust

Carson has said he wants mandatory vax I believe?

Yep:

Republican Ben Carson said on Tuesday vaccinations should be mandatory, with no religious or philosophical exemptions, and schools should check to make sure children have received them.

Carson on Mandatory Vaccinations

Thank you! Very interesting... This was in February of this year. I wonder what happened in between then and now that he's changed his tune. Or did he? Is he just pandering? I'm not sure where his supporters fall on the issue...

I still hope you're wrong -- but it's not looking good!

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: zardust

Carson has said he wants mandatory vax I believe?

Yep:

Republican Ben Carson said on Tuesday vaccinations should be mandatory, with no religious or philosophical exemptions, and schools should check to make sure children have received them.

Carson on Mandatory Vaccinations

Thank you! Very interesting... This was in February of this year. I wonder what happened in between then and now that he's changed his tune. Or did he? Is he just pandering? I'm not sure where his supporters fall on the issue...

I still hope you're wrong -- but it's not looking good!

He could be backpeddling. I haven't actually looked to see if he changed his mind since last month.

i would love to be wrong.

a reply to: Boadicea

IMO Ben Carson is outshining the GOPturds . Sadly the GOP will never select him because he is for a flat tax.

Ben Carson did good last night in the Debate and answered things logically and without the animated political scripted answers. However, immediately after the CNN debate they started to give him the Ron Paul treatment but a little more subtle.

They said he appeared to do good, but he just doesn't appear to have what it takes. In other words , he doesn't have the lobbyist mouth directly connected to his ears and his mouth.

a reply to: interupt42

Ben Carson did last night in the Debate and answered things logically and without the animated political scripted answers. However, immediately after the CNN debate they started to give him the Ron Paul treatment but a little more subtle.

I noticed that too. And today it was all about Carly Fiorina on all the news networks. They're more like a gaggle of gossips than news anchors. (I won't even pretend to call them journalists!) Sheesh.

a reply to: Boadicea

And today it was all about Carly Fiorina on all the news networks

Yeah last night it was all about her as well. Any time the MSM starts to support a candidate i see flags and bells and whistle going off .


Sadly most of us here on ATS are outnumbered by the masses and we will get another MSM>GOP>DNC > Lobbyist endorsed candidate. I don't see the cycle of candidates that we have been getting breaking anytime soon.

there are a few vaccinations you should get and give to your child. but there are others like the flu an others givin on a yearly basis you should stay away from.. In a way Trump was right and wrong at the same time. its not the vaccinations getting people sick.. for instance the flu vaccine is not always effective because it only guards against the viruses that are enclosed in the shot. there are hundreds of other strains that people are exposed to that are not in the vaccine that can still cause many people to become ill. that added to some of of the ingredients that suppress your immune system for up to a week or two after your shot makes you vulnerable to getting other strains