Report: Global War On Terror Has Killed Over 4 Million Muslims

a reply to: Maverick1

As for the four million dead? Well, if it isn't propagandized nonsense, it's at least a good start.

I simply cannot believe that they let people like you continue to post here. These are innocent people we are talking about here. Men, women and children...whose biggest crime was to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Have you no common human decency?

Perhaps if I put a face to these people you might change your mind...

WARNING GRAPHIC.

A man carries the body of a child recovered from the rubble of a destroyed house after a US air strike in Baghdad’s Sadr City, Iraq, 29 April 2008.

HERE

Do you have children?...or are you still one yourself? Imagine for a minute how this man feels? What did he do that makes it ok for them to slaughter his infant son?

I was going to post many more links but I was nearly sick to my stomach. The callousness you have displayed here makes me ashamed to say we come from the same species.

a reply to: deadcalm

Nothing and it not ok, you are absolutely correct and that is disgusting and tragic. Anytime innocence is taken it always is. I won't write any excuse because there is not, one innocent life is one to many.

originally posted by: proob4

How about another 907 million and we'll call it a day, then let them "never forget"?

originally posted by: Maverick1

As for the four million dead? Well, if it isn't propagandized nonsense, it's at least a good start.

What disgusting and abhorrent things to say.
It fills me with despair that there are people with attitudes such as this.
Genocide is never o.k.

a reply to: deadcalm

Is it the world that makes people so ugly, or ugly people who make the world so ugly?

Honestly, the disproportionate response to one attack, as horrific as it was, and the never ending spin to defend that response makes us look more cowardly than brave. Just my opinion...and that's never wavered and never will.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Is it the world that makes people so ugly, or ugly people who make the world so ugly?

Are you insinuating that I fall into that category?

Honestly, the disproportionate response to one attack, as horrific as it was, and the never ending spin to defend that response makes us look more cowardly than brave. Just my opinion...and that's never wavered and never will.

I couldn't agree more with that statement.

originally posted by: deadcalm
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Is it the world that makes people so ugly, or ugly people who make the world so ugly?

Are you insinuating that I fall into that category?

Not at all. Just piggybacking off your comment. In no way directed at you.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: grandmakdw

Since your mind is firmly closed, I'll only answer briefly -
The Islamic State of Daesh (ISIS)
has killed far more Muslims than the "west"

But that's a lie. A rather obvious one.

I think it is important to acknowledge that the "west" is not
the only one responsible for the genocide of Muslims.
The Muslims are engaging in massive fratricide, genocide
which is far far worse than what the "west" has done,
because it is done in the name of Allah and Muhammad.
Anger is misplaced with the "west" when the Islamic State
and Al Qaeda have done so much damage to the Muslims.

This is not a lie. If you think it is a lie, prove me wrong.
Don't just say it is a lie after I posted proofs in my first posting on this thread.
I am posting more proof here.

"Who's killing Muslims?"
news.yahoo.com...
"Well, if spilling Muslim blood is the deciding factor
for us Muslims to decide who we should take vengeance against,
then al-Ansi and others in al Qaeda
should immediately go into hiding.
Simply put, al Qaeda has been slaughtering Muslims for years.
Islamic clerics, doctors, nurses, women, children, etc. --
you name any type of Muslim, and al Qaeda has butchered them.
In fact, a report released in 2009 by the Combating Terrorism Center
at West Point documented the people killed by al Qaeda
between 2004 and 2008.
It found that only 12% of the victims of al Qaeda were Westerners.
That suggests that al Qaeda has killed seven times
as many Muslims as non-Muslims.
And these attacks were just the ones
for which al Qaeda had publicly claimed responsibility.
...
A U.N. report released late last year found that ISIS
had killed thousands of Muslims -- both Sunni and Shia --
between July and September of that year.
This includes the slayings of three nurses in Mosul, Iraq,
because they refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.
ISIS also killed numerous Sunni imams
for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS,
and beheaded another Sunni leader for refusing to support the group.
And the reality is that that's truly what al Qaeda and ISIS are about.
They are not about the concept of "submit to Islam or die,"
as some have claimed.
It's submit to ISIS/al Qaeda or die.
Both organizations clearly don't care how many Muslims they kill. "

ISIS has killed over 9,000 Muslims in the past few years according to the UN.
news.yahoo.com...
"What did the UN find?
ISIS had “carried out attacks deliberately and systematically
targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure,
with the intention of killing and wounding civilians.”
The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014,
at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and
at least 17,386 wounded.
While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone,
ISIS is identified as the primary actor.
(The report also documents what could be considered
war crimes committed by the Iraqi military.)

ISIS: Killing Shiites More Important Than Killing Jews
www.frontpagemag.com...
"The greatest answer to this question is in the Qur’an,
where Allah speaks about the nearby enemy –
those Muslims who have become infidels –
as they are more dangerous than those which were already infidels,”
(A quote from ISIS leadership on killing Muslims)


Sadistic jihadis fighting for the Islamic State in Syria
have brutally executed more than 3,000 people
over the past year, including 86 women and 74 children,
a new report has revealed.
Of the 3,027 people killed,
1,787 were civilians according to research
by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights,
which doesn't take into account murders
over the border in ISIS-held areas of Iraq.
Since claiming to have established a caliphate
in the Middle East last June,
the extremists have carried out a huge number of sickening public executions -
ranging from beheadings, shootings and stonings to crucifixions,
beatings and being pushed from the roofs of high buildings.
www.dailymail.co.uk... oaSD

Lastly and most importantly:
"In a different perspective,
some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed
since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent,
died during the sixty years of fighting Israel,
or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities.
...
In contrast,
over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims."
These violent killings were not everyday murder,
but war type conflicts,
and this total does not include the last two years,
see the posts above.
themuslimissue.wordpress.com...


I have a feeling that you think you can say "you lie" because you know I am a woman,
if that is the case, hold the misogyny, I am right and you are rude.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the point of your post. Are you saying it's ok that we have killed so many in the ME because some Muslim groups have done it to?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: grandmakdw

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the point of your post. Are you saying it's ok that we have killed so many in the ME because some Muslim groups have done it to?

No,
I am saying that the anger Muslims have
toward the west is misplaced.

Their anger should be directed at Al Qaeda and ISIS
who are killing far more Muslims
and in far grislier ways
and far more women and children
Muslim women and children
in grisly and obscene ways.

The danger to Muslims is not from the west
the real danger is from themselves.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Well then I certainly hope you're not seen anywhere crying... er let me be PC so as not to offend you, discussing, the persecution of Christians ever again because no one has killed, tortured, scorned or oppressed more Christians than other Christians.

Protestants vs Catholics
Nazi's vs all other Christians in WWII
Straight Christians against gay Christians
White Christians against black Christians

a reply to: grandmakdw

I can agree that the Muslims need to be mad at other Muslims, but it would be real easy to take ourselves out of the equation.

Don't you agree?

ETA:

ISIS kills 9,000

US kills 4 million +

Ya, I can see why they are angry

a reply to: introvert

To be fair, it's coalition forces, not just the U.S. But then again, we all know who the gang leader here is.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: grandmakdw

I can agree that the Muslims need to be mad at other Muslims, but it would be real easy to take ourselves out of the equation.

Don't you agree?

ETA:

ISIS kills 9,000

US kills 4 million +

Ya, I can see why they are angry

Umm, did you miss the final quote
Muslims killed in war or war like conflicts
ummmmm
90% of 11 million muslims
that means 10 million Muslims

then you add the 9,000
and then you add the 3,000

so the total is well over 10 Million Muslims killing Muslims
in conflicts/wars

Purely a personal viewpoint, but if religious belief systems were never put in to play and the coalition forces were fighting terrorists with no religious agenda on home soil i feel they would be more careful when designating targets to destroy, and we would not be here having this debate.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: ~Lucidity

As ALL wars do so.
HOW would YOU oppose the enemy?

Well, if you surrender, then no-one dies.

o_O

AWHHHH Beez I was with you until then... To many videos of people who got the chance to surrender or could not fight back so,"hands up don't shoot".. They seem to have gotten a bullet in the back of their heads for their lack of fighting back effort.

As long as the two major factions want to kill each other as far as I am concerned religious freedom should be promoted in that direction.... as long as they leave the infidels alone we should take up a collection for popcorn and soft drinks because the west has no idea on how to solve this kind of religious hatred....

Islamic "extremists" fighting in their own countries against foreign invaders, for their families and their homes, are the real heroes. Screw all this deflection, people trying to denigrate Islam and shift the focus, when Islam really isn't even the issue at hand. You can't blame them for fighting against some globalist hegemony trying to establish itself in their lands.

It's the Afgani villagers and Iraqi insurgents who deserve praise.

a reply to: grandmakdw

This is not a lie. If you think it is a lie, prove me wrong.
Don't just say it is a lie after I posted proofs in my first posting on this thread.
I am posting more proof here.

It is a lie. ISIS has only been in existence a few years. It cannot possibly have killed as many Muslims as have been killed by Westerners since the Muslim encounter with the West began. It probably hasn't even killed as many as Israel (an unambiguously Western country) has done over the years.

You posted proof of nothing. You posted some newspaper cuttings. Evidently you do not know the meaning of the word 'proof', or are deliberately misusing it for its propaganda value.

I have a feeling that you think you can say "you lie" because you know I am a woman,
if that is the case, hold the misogyny, I am right and you are rude.

I did not say you lied, I said something you posted was a lie. For all I knew at the time you posted it in good faith. However, your attempt to play the victim and curry sympathy for yourself by appropriating the compassion due to the victims of sexism suggests you are rather an expert at this little game (in an entirely amateur capacity, obviously).

Not nice, Grandma.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

4 million... really? are we carpet bombing the place? I mean i don't like any number but 4 million is for the gullible

I think this song ties in very nicely to the conspiracy angle, don't you?

Sadly, I've just read a Vanity Fair article about Staff Sergeant Jess Cunningham and while not ostensibly 'for Jesus', First Sergeant Hadley came from a Baptist background, in Texas...

...granted, there was more to it than that, the sick-minded, twisted SOB...

However, I will make the caveat that there were also those who exhibited their humanity in that Theatre, and while I am 'anti-war', I think it is important to acknowledge this as well.

I'm lucky. I haven't chosen to go to war.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: ~Lucidity

4 million... really? are we carpet bombing the place? I mean i don't like any number but 4 million is for the gullible

I bet they are counting the crusades as well in that number. Its the only way.