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originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
If people want to follow other faiths then that is fine by me, I might not agree with their ideas but I can at least respect the fact that they at least believe in a Creator and that we are not just here by chance.
originally posted by: Mugly
from what i understand, god is supposed to be all loving and caring.
having said that, i see all kinds of suffering and terrible # going down every day.
imo, any god that allows these things to happen to his people is no god i want to follow or worship.
if i end up in the furnace, so be it. not anyone elses problem
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
If people want to follow other faiths then that is fine by me, I might not agree with their ideas but I can at least respect the fact that they at least believe in a Creator and that we are not just here by chance.
Do you mean to say you have little or no respect for those that don't believe in any creator?
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: chr0naut
Don't forget the JW's. They are Christians too.
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: chr0naut
But are we not, "born into sin"? If so we need to "go to Jesus" to be redeemed? To what we were already born into? That sounds like a shylock, not a supreme being. That's a rigged game.
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
-Emo Phillips
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: chr0naut
Right. I'm guilty just by being born. I want to get a pardon I have to give my life over to..... Like I said, that's a fixed game.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: chr0naut
Right. I'm guilty just by being born. I want to get a pardon I have to give my life over to..... Like I said, that's a fixed game.
No, you were born into a sinful world, this does not make you responsible for the sins of the world.
The only sins you bear, and are accountable for, are your own.
The only problem is the issue that for us humans, the temptation to sin is ever present and we have a history of bad choices.
originally posted by: intrepid
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: chr0naut
Right. I'm guilty just by being born. I want to get a pardon I have to give my life over to..... Like I said, that's a fixed game.
No, you were born into a sinful world, this does not make you responsible for the sins of the world.
The only sins you bear, and are accountable for, are your own.
The only problem is the issue that for us humans, the temptation to sin is ever present and we have a history of bad choices.
Yeah but after more than 5 decades of bad choices(some involving religion) I've become a very decent person. IMO. Why do I NOW need a supreme being to grant me absolution when I did it on my own?