"UFOs, Do they Smell? The Sulphur Enigma of Paranormal Visitation"

a reply to: aynock

Frankly I have no interest in ball
lightning itself. It's just a
conversation starter.

Kev

The ones I've been in contact with did not emit smells. The craft's metal was very cool to the touch after it had landed. I was instructed to keep a distance during landings.

-MM

A bit off topic I suppose, but along the lines of -

- "Truth is stranger than fiction"...or perhaps more accurately, 'Fiction borrows from strange truths'...

...my daughter and I recently started watching the show "Supernatural", and the protagonists always find traces of sulfur wherever 'demons' have been..

Not that I believe in demons -

- it just struck me as a synchronicity of sorts re: the paranormal and sulfur...

...and I keep having a niggling hint of a 'theory' that the whole UFO/paranormal phenomena (in the Vallee 'sense') might also have a strong component involving 'story'/'narrative' (in the archetypal rather than 'mythical' sense), and that this "component" filters into the consciousness of people who write popular entertainment, i.e. TV, movies, novels, etc.

a reply to: lostgirl

Yes, definitely.

Kev

I smell like garlic, it keeps the pesky sulfurous plasmids at bay.

Various people on ATS and on other sites have mentioned that
they smelled sufur or other noxious odors (such as burning
rubber) during UFO or 'orb' sightings.

phantosmia is a common symptom of temporal lobe epilepsy, along with visual and auditory hallucinations

there are some interesting points made in this thread that might be relevant to your hypothesis

a reply to: aynock

Yup.

I've looked at that and temporal
lobe lability in excruciating detail
(due to bybots) and I'm certain
mental health issues and em causitive
lability are one of many factors
at times.

Hm... I only recall reading about the so-called sulfur smell being reported during encounters with the entities that supposedly pilot the UFOs. I do not recall any report about smells involving the alleged craft themselves. Then again, I might have overlooked something in all of the books and articles I've read?

originally posted by: Kojiro
Hm... I only recall reading about the so-called sulfur smell being reported during encounters with the entities that supposedly pilot the UFOs. I do not recall any report about smells involving the alleged craft themselves. Then again, I might have overlooked something in all of the books and articles I've read?

Well that's the rub.

It seems in many ways that the 'craft' and the 'beings' are
perhaps neither actually... but just slightly different parts
of the same phenomenon.

This is why I say "I don't believe in nuts and bolts UFOs"
and I don't believe that ET's are now or have possibly
ever (yet) visited the Earth.

There is dead zero evidence for that, at least in the minds
of various researchers.

(I'm not saying that there isn't SOME strange phenomenon
happening.. I definitely say there is sometimes)

Now that does leave the 'physical problem'. Various people
jump up and down and INSIST that they saw a physical
craft.

But it's like someone saying that they DID see a magician
saw a woman in half!

Now yes, there are no doubt real radar traces (it's an EM
phenomenon after all). Some people are burned (yes,
it's plasma that makes sense). Some people are healed
(yes that can make sense too - Healing.

Really there is NO problem explaining anything with
the Plasma/EM theory.. while there is a MOUNTAIN
of nonsense that results from the standard ETH.

IMHO.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I certainly find your plasma hypothesis intriguing, as I long ago discounted the ETH as well. Maybe there's something to your idea, but at the moment you have the problem of why the beings smell but not the alleged craft (well, as far as I know they don't).

I have my own ideas on the matter and they share some of the stage magician element you proposed yourself. Would you propose that these are intelligent plasma beings, equating it to the UTH? Or not?

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I certainly find your plasma hypothesis intriguing, as I long ago discounted the ETH as well. Maybe there's something to your idea, but at the moment you have the problem of why the beings smell but not the alleged craft (well, as far as I know they don't).

I have my own ideas on the matter and they share some of the stage magician element you proposed yourself. Would you propose that these are intelligent plasma beings, equating it to the UTH? Or not?

Well personally, my unsubstantiated belief is that WE
are the freaks in this Universe.. that really ALL the
sentient life in this Universe is plasma-based..as
99% of the Universe is composed of plasma, of the
4% that's normal matter. That leaves us physical
beings to worry about that last 1% of the 4%.

The party is in the 99% and the other 96% of
the Universe. That I even have to spell this
out always astonishes me.. but maybe I'm
mentally unstable or something.

As far as the whole plasma being vs plasma
ship thing.. I don't see a conflict.. one big
old mass of high energy plasma materializes
in any way it wants to form the appearance
of ships and beings.. It's really that simple.

Now if you must think this way, perhaps
'they' whoever 'they' are (if 'they' are real)
can interact with the Higgs field and actually
gain 'real' 'solid matter' just like the Higgs
Boson does.

This would explain the MiB phenomenon
(if you buy that), it would explain the
'angel hair phenomenon' and the other
'materializations' of weird substances
and metals.

It could explain anything.

Now that doesn't mean it's true of course..
It's just a hypothesis.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really there is NO problem explaining anything with
the Plasma/EM theory..

how does it explain bob taylor's trousers?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Like "They're Made Out of Meat" huh? Truly an intriguing hypothesis.

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really there is NO problem explaining anything with
the Plasma/EM theory..

how does it explain bob taylor's trousers?

I just finished explaining that in the previous post.

In fact that incident is a perfect example of meeting
all the elements of the hypothesis.

Kev

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Like "They're Made Out of Meat" huh? Truly an intriguing hypothesis.

They are at least apparently made out of anything they
want to be. Like I said, any technology or 'being' that
can interact with the higgs field and BANG you have
solidity of substance of some sort.

Of course the EM interaction with the brain and
nervous system means the phenomenon wouldn't
even need to bother with 'solid' unless they wished
anyway.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really there is NO problem explaining anything with
the Plasma/EM theory..

how does it explain bob taylor's trousers?

I just finished explaining that in the previous post.

In fact that incident is a perfect example of meeting
all the elements of the hypothesis.

Kev

It could explain anything.

how could you test the hypothesis?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh, I see you didn't understand the reference. "They're Made Out of Meat" is a science fiction short story by Terry Bisson that has a humorous twist on the Fermi Paradox.

"They're Made Out of Meat"

Enjoy.

originally posted by: aynock

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really there is NO problem explaining anything with
the Plasma/EM theory..

how does it explain bob taylor's trousers?

I just finished explaining that in the previous post.

In fact that incident is a perfect example of meeting
all the elements of the hypothesis.

Kev

It could explain anything.

how could you test the hypothesis?

I've been thinking a lot about that.

Statistically, tying in proximity to Earthquake faults
with UFO sightings is one thing.. some people have
tried that with varying degrees of success.

Also mapping sun spot minima and maxima to
waves of UFO sightings is interesting.. but there
is disagreement as to whether it's the minima or
the maxima that most affects the Earth
magnetically or just with Plasma density.

This wikipedia article really fascinates me.
en.wikipedia.org...

There is also the talk about how (supposedly) UFO sightings
are more prevalent along highways.

There are of course power poles along many highways..
and quite interestingly the particulate density of pollution
is highest around highways.. both are great resources for
any plasmas.

I'd also like to point out, that historically shaman, especially
of the Lakota Sioux Heritage and many tribes in South America
used tobaco smoke and other smokes to 'attract spirits'.
(plasma life forms). (I'm 1/4 Lakota Sioux).

Now i don't know the exact 'attraction' for particulate matter
with Plasmas.. that's one thing I am studying now. But it's
an interesting inference.

Of course the problem with all this statistics is that it
doesn't 'prove' anything.. and it's dang hard to get all
the data i need.

Ultimately, labwork at the government level would be
required to test plasmas... due to the high energies
usually required...

I believe that such testing is underway in various places..
in fact some was supposedly done in Livermore, CA
not too far from me.. at the national ignition lab.. and
it supposedly generated 'high strangeness'.

So can I personally solve the mystery with my meager
resources? Probably not.

But this is all reachable and apparently testable.

Kev

originally posted by: Kojiro
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh, I see you didn't understand the reference. "They're Made Out of Meat" is a science fiction short story by Terry Bisson that has a humorous twist on the Fermi Paradox.

"They're Made Out of Meat"

Enjoy.

OH!

Yes, I did read that some years ago.

Sometimes fiction is more truth than
people realize.

I suppose that's been lurking in my
subconscious for some years!

Kev

Supposed they smell of ammonia if you shoot them

Fort Dix alien shooting

History of the case