WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

It is all very simple! After 14 years, no evidence of explosives was ever found, which explains why after 14 years, there has never been breaking news that evidence of explosive was found. To this very day, structural and civil engineers, demolition experts, some of whom were operating seismic machines during 9/11, firefighters, and other investigators, have stated for the record that there is no evidence that demo explosives were used during 9/11 and I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the same results from the dust samples you claimed, was proof of explosives. Ever wondered why they have not taken that claim (evidence of explosives) seriously? Think about it.

Why do conspiracy theorist continue to allow themselves to be duped by "Loose Change," "Pilots for 911 Truth," AE911 Truth," Gordon Duff, who has admitted that he has been posting disinformation on the Internet, Jeff Prager and people who have been posting disinformation in efforts to discredit the Truth Movement? I have caught "Pilots for 911 Truth" posting false and misleading information and yet, conspiracy theorist continue to use that website as a reference source. Simply amazing!!

a reply to: skyeagle409

Care to share that response and elaborate on the details of said reference?

I'll take that as a "nope". Awesome, now I think you never wrote them in the first place. It's all very simple, ya know...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Since you have been unable to produce evidence of explosives in the dust samples, there is not much else to say.

whatever dude, if there wasn't anything dodgy going on, why did the government hurriedly destroy the evidence, produce a ridiculous report that cherry picked and exaggerated evidence, and will not allow a subpoenaed investigation? if there's nothing to hide they should have no problem doing that. but they won't because they're absolute liars.

a reply to: Redlisted

whatever dude, if there wasn't anything dodgy going on, why did the government hurriedly destroy the evidence,..

What evidence? Provide the evidence for all to see, that the government hid evidence. If you are unable to provide that evidence for us all, you have no case.

What evidence? Provide the evidence for all to see, that the government hid evidence. If you are unable to provide that evidence for us all, you have no case.

He has a great case, there is no evidence, it was shipped away ASAP.. they save just a few select pieces, maybe 200, the rest was gone, #7 was the first to go, the first to be cleaned up and in a big hurry too... Time to wake up sky guy.. and let me give you some advise, posting you identity and with a photo is pretty dam stupid... Only a fool would do that, don't be a fool..

a reply to: skyeagle409


Here is the evidence that your gov. hid evidence:

In his New Yorker article, posted on the magazine’s web site last week, Lawrence Wright tells how the Bush administration deleted 28 pages in the 2002 report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry on 911 probably because they describe in detail the Saudi connection to the Al Qaeda attack and Saudi financing of its operatives in the United States—people who knew two of the hijackers, and may well have been used as conduits for Saudi cash. Some of the money may have come from the royal family through a charity.

www.counterpunch.org...

No? Yes. Duh!

Since you have been unable to produce evidence of explosives in the dust samples, there is not much else to say.

Don't make my side hurt again! This thread is full of evidence and you didn't debunk a thing yet. How about getting started now and practice what you preach?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

From your post.

In his New Yorker article, posted on the magazine’s web site last week, Lawrence Wright tells how the Bush administration deleted 28 pages in the 2002 report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry on 911 probably because they describe in detail the Saudi connection to the Al Qaeda attack and Saudi financing of its operatives in the United States—people who knew two of the hijackers, and may well have been used as conduits for Saudi cash. Some of the money may have come from the royal family through a charity.

Now, for the rest of the story.

US judge dismisses 9/11 case against Saudi Arabia

A US judge has dismissed claims against Saudi Arabia by families of victims of the September 11, 2001, attacks, who accused the country of providing material support to al-Qaeda.

www.aljazeera.com...

a reply to: wildb

He has a great case, there is no evidence, it was shipped away ASAP..

Now, for the rest of the story.

Why did NIST not Consider a “Controlled Demolition

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

www.webcitation.org...

a reply to: skyeagle409

Bush administration deleted 28 pages

No biggie, eh?

Provide the evidence for all to see, that the government hid evidence

Mission accomplished, glad to be at your service. Now for the rest of the story:

I was just wondering how you would change post-goals again. It wasn't the question if you would pull another shilly move, I was just curious to see how this one would play out.
Aljazeera as source is kinda hilarious with regards to this context, cherry on the pie. Your source:

Lawyers for the plaintiffs said they would appeal. Sean Carter, one the lawyers, said he believed the ruling was also the consequence of the US government's decision to keep classified evidence that could be favourable to their cause.

They deleted 28 pages and hid evidence, didn't they? Rhetorical question, beware of the snakepit.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

They deleted 28 pages and hid evidence, didn't they? Rhetorical question, beware of the snakepit.

What were in those 28 pages? I want to know the details.

^ you better ask your government that.

officials' handling of the evidence of the September 11th attack has followed a clear pattern. the physical evidence most important to forensic analysis of the crime was destroyed or removed from the crime scene never to be seen again. types of evidence not under the direct control of those officials were suppressed through a variety of means.TThese include photographs, video footage, and various once-public documents


The pattern of destruction of physical evidence is nowhere more apparent than in the rapid removal and recycling of the steel from Ground Zero. The structural steel was the most important evidence regarding the mass murder of September 11th. No amount of indulgence of forelorn hopes of finding survivors in the rubble, nor urgency of uncovering human remains for speedy identification, can justify the destruction of the evidence.

If it was necessary to remove steel to another location to accommodate rescue and recovery efforts, the steel easily could have been preserved.
Any steel pieces to be removed should first have been meticulously documented through the use of coordinate grids and photographs. This is standard practice in archeological excavations.
Building 7 was evacuated long before it collapsed, and it fell into a tidy rubble pile that did not even block adjacent roadways. There was no urgency in removing its rubble, and certainly not in destroying it.
The remains of the Twin Towers should have been afforded at least the same level of respect as the artifacts in an archeological dig, or remnants of an aviation disaster. Instead they were treated as garbage to be disposed of as quickly as possible. That the authorities hid their crime behind talk of rescue and recovery is exploitation of the most reprehensible kind. In fact, families and friends of the victims vocally protested the destruction of the Ground Zero evidence

On May 6, 2004, an FAA quality-assurance manager destroyed a cassette tape recording of statements by at least six air traffic controllers who handled hijackings on 9/11/01. According to the Transportation Department the tape was destroyed, "without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it."


There is abundant evidence that there were concerted programs to remove evidence from the three known sites of carnage on September 11th: Ground Zero in Manhattan, the west wing and lawn of the Pentagon, and the debris fields of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. This is particularly true of the Pentagon, where a mop-up operation by officials commenced immediately after the attack. It is not clear what evidence was removed from Ground Zero before the steel removal operation started, given that the scene was sealed off and under the control of persons hostile to a genuine investigation.

Removal of evidence from a crime scene by other than legitimate investigators and without proper documentation of the locations of artifacts is evidence of involvement in the crime.


The destruction and removal of evidence, so zealously undertaken by authorities overseeing the crime scenes, was not possible with various forms of documentary evidence gathered by people not invested in covering up facts of the attack. Authorities employed a variety of methods to suppress such evidence.

Images of the WTC collapses, once abundant on the web, apparently have been purged from web history archive sites. Extensive image databases, such as Google's, are missing images of the collapses.
A 78-minute audiotape of communications of firefighters in the South Tower was suppressed for over a year by the Port Authority and the Department of Justice.
Detailed engineering drawings of the Twin Towers and Building 7 have remained unavailable to the public.
New York City firefighters have reportedly been ordered to not to share what they witnessed on September 11th, and feared doing so would jeopardize their jobs.
Officials have refused to release video footage of the Pentagon attack beyond the five frames released in early 2002. There must be dozens of cameras on the Pentagon grounds that recorded the attack.
The FBI confiscated and refused to release footage of the Pentagon attack by security cameras owned by private businesses.
Air traffic controllers have been ordered by the FBI not to discuss what they know about the attacks.

The rapid destruction by authorities of the WTC steel, and their efforts to seize and bottle up other forms of evidence relating to the attack, are, if not themselves criminal acts, strong evidence of their involvement in crimes.

There is currently an interesting thread at ISF. The last pages are interesting. It is Sunstealer/Chris Mohr/Oystein (and the lesser debunkers like Beachnut) vs Ziggi/Criteria/NotConvinced

Check the wtc dust update at

www.internationalskeptics.com...

It looks like there is some serious ass kicking

a reply to: drommelsboef

Lord...I always get slightly nauseas reading JREF threads. One big neverending, psuedo-intellectual circle-jerk. I particularly "like" the last comment about why they referred to an external index for the resistance of paint, instead of testing the chips they found in the dust. The obvious answer being that they didn't know for sure what the chips were....so they used an external reference to compare. God there's some morons over there....

a reply to: Redlisted

officials' handling of the evidence of the September 11th attack has followed a clear pattern. the physical evidence most important to forensic analysis of the crime was destroyed or removed from the crime scene never to be seen again. types of evidence not under the direct control of those officials were suppressed through a variety of means.TThese include photographs, video footage, and various once-public documents

The evidence that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the collapse of the WTC buildings can be found in videos, photos, and in the seismic data, which debunks the claim that demo explosions were used.

Officials have refused to release video footage of the Pentagon attack beyond the five frames released in early 2002. There must be dozens of cameras on the Pentagon grounds that recorded the attack.

Videos are not required to make a determination as to what struck the Pentagon when there are videos and photos that depict B-757 wreckage in the colors of American Airlines at the Pentagon. This portion of a video depicts American 77 in the background.

American 77 Video

We have videos and photos of American 11 and United 175 slamming into the WTC buildings yet there are claims that no aircraft struck those buildings. In addition, videos are not used to solve many air disasters because videos were not available.

Detailed engineering drawings of the Twin Towers and Building 7 have remained unavailable to the public.

It has been shown that WTC 7 suffered massive impact damage on its south wall, which also explains why WTC 7 tilted toward the south in the final seconds of its collapse.

There is abundant evidence that there were concerted programs to remove evidence from the three known sites of carnage on September 11th: Ground Zero in Manhattan,....

The wreckage of the WTC buildings was removed to landfills where examinations were conducted.

... the west wing and lawn of the Pentagon,

The wreckage at the Pentagon was that of a B-757 in the colors of American Airlines. American Airlines announced the loss of American 77.

... and the debris fields of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.

Over 90% of the wreckage of United 93 was recovered from the crash site where radar contact was lost. United Airlines announced the loss of United 93.

This is particularly true of the Pentagon, where a mop-up operation by officials commenced immediately after the attack.

Why would wreckage be left lying around when it was determined what struck the Pentagon?

The evidence that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the collapse of the WTC buildings can be found in videos, photos, and in the seismic data, which debunks the claim that demo explosions were used.

Gravity did not cause the towers to disintegrate, so then what did.. furthermore there is no evidence you speak of.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: PublicOpinion

They deleted 28 pages and hid evidence, didn't they? Rhetorical question, beware of the snakepit.

What were in those 28 pages? I want to know the details.

And now we finally got somewhere, I agree wholeheartedly.
Thanks for not falling into old patterns when confronted with inconvenient facts!

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: drommelsboef

Lord...I always get slightly nauseas reading JREF threads. One big neverending, psuedo-intellectual circle-jerk. I particularly "like" the last comment about why they referred to an external index for the resistance of paint, instead of testing the chips they found in the dust. The obvious answer being that they didn't know for sure what the chips were....so they used an external reference to compare. God there's some morons over there....

Quoted for truth and pure awesomeness.
Couldn't make it 10 mins into the vid from their OP either, same old same old?

Over 90% of the wreckage of United 93 was recovered from the crash site where radar contact was lost. United Airlines announced the loss of United 93.

United reported flight 93 landed in Cleveland first..

originally posted by: wildb



Gravity did not cause the towers to disintegrate, so then what did..

Energy beam from space

a reply to: wildb

United reported flight 93 landed in Cleveland first..

That is false. Delta 1989, which was a B-767, was misidentified as United 93, which was a B-757. Now, for the rest of the story.

United 93 did not land at Cleveland Airport

The story in question, an Associated Press bulletin, was posted on WCPO.com during the morning of September 11, 2001. The story stated that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland. This was not true.

A review of WEWS Cleveland Channel 5's live coverage of White's comments that day show that he never suggested that the grounded plane parked at the end of a Hopkins runway was United 93.

"Let me walk through the most current situation that we are grappling with," says White at the brief press conference. "At this moment, we have a Boeing 767 in a secure area of Hopkins International Airport. The initial reports were that this plane was hijacked and that there was a bomb on board. There was, before this, an additional plane in our airspace. I am told through unconfirmed reports that we could hear screaming in the control tower. This plane has been diverted from Cleveland and at last report was in the Toledo airspace."

Later, we would learn that this 767 was Delta flight 1989. It had originated from the same Boston airport as United 93, but was cleared by inspectors after landing at Hopkins. It had not been hijacked, and there was no bomb. And United 93, by the way, was a 757...

www.911myths.com...