NASA basically announced there's no doubt life exist on other planets Kepler 452-b

originally posted by: neoholographic
YOU DON'T THINK IT CHANGES ANYTHING??

I think it provides some additional confirmation of what most astrobiologists already believed, based on the wealth of information they already had on exoplanets.

So, sure -- this provides a level of confirmation for what they already thought to be true, but it's not like this changes what they already thought to be true.

Based on the information astrobiologists already had in hand, they already felt quite certain that life exists elsewhere, even prior to this new information.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: neoholographic
YOU DON'T THINK IT CHANGES ANYTHING??

I think it provides some additional confirmation of what most astrobiologists already believed, based on the wealth of information they already had on exoplanets.

So, sure -- this provides a level of confirmation for what they already thought to be true, but it's not like this changes what they already thought to be true.

That's what science is and confirmation CHANGES things. Yes it changes what you thought to be true because you found a a planet around a G2 star like our sun that's been in the habitable zone for 6 billion years. It changes everything.

It would be like saying finding the Higgs changes nothing because some Scientist already thought it to be true. I didn't see a lot of Scientist saying we will find a planet around the size of earth around a G2 star like our sun that has been in it's habitable zone for around 6 billion years and this early in the process.

a reply to: neoholographic

You're missing my point.

Yes -- This changes the notion of whether or not planets exist that have been in the habitable zone for at least as long as Earth has been in a habitable zone. In that respect, this is a major finding. However, prior to this finding, astrobiologists never said that it is a requirement for life that a planet be in the habitable zone for as long as Earth has been.

...I mean, they know that life began on Earth after only less than 1 billion years, so obviously it is NOT a requirement that a planet needs to be in a habitable zone for 5 or 6 billion years.

So using life on Earth as an example, then they should already know that life can exist on a planet that has been in a habitable zone for only 1 billion years.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
a reply to: neoholographic

You're missing my point.

Yes -- This changes the notion of whether or not planets exist that have been in the habitable zone for at least as long as Earth has been in a habitable zone. In that respect, this is a major finding. However, prior to this finding, astrobiologists never said that it is a requirement for life that a planet be in the habitable zone for as long as Earth has been.

...I mean, they know that life began on Earth after only less than 1 billion years, so obviously it is NOT a requirement that a planet needs to be in a habitable zone for 5 or 6 billion years.

Of course it's a requirement for intelligent life as we know it to exist. This is exactly why they made the point several times that this planet has existed in it's habitable zone for around 6 billion years.

Hominids have existed around 5 to 8 million years and homo sapiens around 100,000 years in a planet that has been around for 4.5 billion years and this planet has been in it's habitable zone for around 6 billion years.

Again, to say this changes nothing is just not true. I suggest you listen to the press conference again because the importance of what they said is that this planet is around a G2 star like our sun and has been in it's habitable zone around 6 BILLION YEARS. Long enough for intelligent life to evolve.

a reply to: neoholographic

You're thread title is "NASA basically announced there's no doubt life exist on other planets Kepler 452-b", so my responses were about life in general.

Sounds like this is the perfect place to point a seti receiver.

there's probably a lot of variety planet and moon 'wise
oldtimers know we dont want/like a bunch of copycats out in space

I've always had this crazy idea that one day we find a planet like this and everyone that has passed away (ok, maybe not since beginning of time ) is there...

Why are people ok with findings of microbial life but not other species including but not limited to humanoid of nature?

Is it ego related or some other base fear/shame?

This is a descent step forward in the microsteps it will take to bring humanity up to actual speed, so dont it blow humanity, let 'them' know you can handle the truth...

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: B4dg3r
this is amazing news

Exactly!!

Some key points!

Earth like planets are "quite common" in our universe.
Kepler 452-b is around 6 billion years old and has remained in it's habitable zone longer than earth.
This is like finding a needle in a haystack based on our limited view as to how life forms.
There's NOTHING preventing life from forming on other planets unless life on earth has some special ingredient designed by a Creator that can't be duplicated anywhere else in the universe.

HUGE NEWS!!

The size is a benefit to the numbers but a drawback to life!

Our nearest large galactic neighbour M31 The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away even the farthest stars in our own galaxy are at least 75,000 light years from us.

Even IF life started in other systems the chances are they are a long time dead

a reply to: havok

I have no issue with their speculation.

But that is all it is. Speculation.

The Navy secret space program has a base and eventually a large colony there.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
eventually one of these planets will be declared to not only seem ideal for life to exist, but to factually, actually, harbour life. i think we'll be discovering many more such planets over the coming years. cool!

That will happen once we have the James Webb telescope in combination with the large telescopes that are being built as we speak, It will not be long.

a reply to: galaga

This has already happened... Nasa is breaking us in slowly.

No life has been found, throw this into the HOAX bin for the way the title is worded.

The planet is supposedly larger, older, similar star, in the zone where liquid water is a possibility (but so is Mars but it is dry as a bone).

If it has life why haven't we been receiving their old I love Lucy broadcasts and other such activity across any spectrum of output? It is older than Earth and only has 1400 years for signals to reach here.

The standard internet meme applies here, pics or it didn't happen.

a reply to: blackmetalmist

like mingling in a waiting room?

originally posted by: antar
Why are people ok with findings of microbial life but not other species including but not limited to humanoid of nature?

Is it ego related or some other base fear/shame?

This is a descent step forward in the microsteps it will take to bring humanity up to actual speed, so dont it blow humanity, let 'them' know you can handle the truth...

EXACTLY!

It's basically ego related. People sadly look at these things from an egocentric viewpoint instead of from the viewpoint of the universe .

So everything is limited to our current understanding of technology and the universe and then they extrapolate that out and basically limit what can or can't occur in the universe based on their VERY LIMITED view and understanding.

History is littered with people who had an egocentric view of things based on current understanding and they were wrong on so many fronts.

Unless life has some special ingredient that can't be duplicated anywhere else in the universe then we're looking at a universe filled with microbial and intelligent life.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
No life has been found, throw this into the HOAX bin for the way the title is worded.

The planet is supposedly larger, older, similar star, in the zone where liquid water is a possibility (but so is Mars but it is dry as a bone).

If it has life why haven't we been receiving their old I love Lucy broadcasts and other such activity across any spectrum of output? It is older than Earth and only has 1400 years for signals to reach here.

The standard internet meme applies here, pics or it didn't happen.

Great post Eeyore. Nothing to see here folks. Move along. No reason to be excited.



Seti HAS already listened to this. There is more here. Wait and watch Eeyores.

You do realize that Venus and Mars are "like Earth?"

originally posted by: antar
Why are people ok with findings of microbial life but not other species including but not limited to humanoid of nature?
Is it ego related or some other base fear/shame?

Which people are you talking about? Certainly not the people here, where you can't take a picture of a stray asteroid without a bunch of people yelling "ALIENS!" or slagging NASA for covering up proof (even while they're using NASA images to support their arguments).

A good chunk of people would just love the announcement of the discovery of Star Trek-like humanoid aliens, but they're willing to start with a few bugs just to get the ball rolling. Another good chunk of people think the aliens are already here.

a reply to: neoholographic

Good grief...

Now look here. There has been more than enough baseless speculation, fantasy, and utter twaddle uttered, about the possibility of life on other worlds. So much so in fact, that those who are tasked with making SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES in related fields, have to be VERY careful about what they say, how they say it, and how they THINK about it.

Moreover, the reason discussion on boards like these, when that discussion is rational, rather than fantastic, revolves around microbial life rather than humanoid or other as yet unknown forms of life, is because the chances, according to the probabilistic mathematics that we have access to thus far, suggest it is more likely that we will locate a microbial life form, before we locate a complex life form. The reason? Simple...

A) we have been unable to track any confirmable signals from other civilisations on any band we can currently scan on.

B) the worlds we can thus far access physically, to research on effectively, have no complex life on them that we know of, or can even hint at. Mars and a comet are the only bodies in our solar system other than the Moon and our own planet, which we have landed experimental equipment on, let alone done a full and in depth study of, equal to our understanding of our planet and its inhabitants. Much more need be known about the planets in our solar system before we can say whether or not there is any microbial life around on those other rocks held in thrall by our Sun.

C) making unsupportable statements without physical findings to back them up, is not something which scientists who want to have long and fruitful careers involve themselves in. It is also not often dabbled with, by those who have any respect for the scientific method. We should all respect the scientific method. There would be more signal, and less noise in some quarters if we did.