Service to Other keeps systems alive where its leaders expect you to sacrifice your joy for them

Service-to-self = freedom, honesty, joy, self-expression

Service-to-others = support of unfair systems wishing for all to sacrifice their freedom and joy for the few who run those systems, self-denial in the name of "helping" others, and the spreading of negative energy which causes negative situations to inspire more and more need for "self-sacrifice".

If self-sacrificing religions worked, there would be peace in the middle-east. Instead, they're fighting and trying to oppress each other and trying to fulfill the prophecies/will/"holy" scriptures of their "god".

If they belonged to a service-to-self religion which taught "be happy and let others be happy, promote that each person lives for their own happiness instead of trying to oppress each other and take away each other's free-will", there would have probably been peace already...

But they believe in oppressing others for their lords/gods believing in making "prophecies" happen and pleasing their lords/gods by doing their will and forcing it on others.

a reply to: arpgme

Service to self can cause selfish behaviors & activities
it generates the illusion that one is separate from the WHOLE*
which can then cause some to act out upon others uncaring like
due to not acknowledging that ones actions upon others affects ALL*

Service to Others is acknowledgement
that the is part of the WHOLE*
and what the does affects others also part of the ALL*

NAMASTE*******

a reply to: arpgme

** yes !! very true Arpgme. ancient Greeks decided theyd had enough of serving useless gods, thats when heroes like Hercules entered their literature. [your avatar is bright yellow and the white writing so faint]. the problem is not just because humans (even professors of theology) are so stupidly uncritical, but because the gods and devils are both Real and telepathically Powerful, and treat earthlings like a Game to "test" us, forcing Earth thru wars and chaos to sharpen our wits, prior to Exit and no more re-incarnation. BUT "the gods" (aliens) are also Learning /evolving, and many of them (like osiris-rothschild and chizzer-bernank) are Bungling malevolent Egotists capable of effective evils and blasphemings of their own pretences to be "holy", so the result is a scenario where "god" (the coverall generic term) can seem to be more evil than good. the solution is to stand back and Objectivise ALL of "them" (as you are doing). goodluck, kaman.

Either has destructive effects if it is in extreme and not balanced with the other.

Nobody should be forced to do something they don't want to do. That's disrespect to free-will. Forcing others to be service-to-others is the same thing as oppressing and enslaving them.

Living for your own happiness is saying "no" to oppression and manipulation.

a reply to: Bluesma

>> Either has destructive effects if it is in extreme and not balanced with the other.
Knowledge comes by taking things apart: analysis. But wisdom comes by putting things together.

** another very true comment Bluesma, indeed one of the MOST IMPORTANT buddhistic Lessons to learn is the MIddle Way. try a bit of everything, but not too much one way and not too much the other, in order to find your Centrality, Individuality and Domain of Self.

** as for "Wisdom" yes putting things back together teaches more, particularly what NOT to do NEXT TIME. thus it is a Retrospective Aquisition. maximum personally confirmed knowledge needs Existentialism to push forward into the Unknown beyond conventional moralities and traditions, and that involves more Risk, courage and optimistic Purpose.

** most of "the gods" (not all luckily) are psychopathic aliens who should try a bit of crucifixion themselves before Brandishing their Fake "christ" /god-disguise at everyone, and it would be better for jesus himself to come forward and CLARIFY and REJECT all the crap that has been written "in his name" and caused hundred million deaths over the centuries. just like Allah has a bad reputation for cutting everyones heads off. god "the father" has a bad reputation for demanding everyone sing hymns to his non-existent "perfection". self-Admiration is NOT a characteristic callable "spiritual". kaman.

originally posted by: MasterKaman


** most of "the gods" (not all luckily) are psychopathic aliens who should try a bit of crucifixion themselves before Brandishing their Fake "christ" /god-disguise at everyone,

The fake God is the one who lives in time. Is there any other time but now? The one who believes in time believes in himself and that is the false god.
Life is happening now. But the mind produces a false image of 'things' in 'time and space'. Nothing exists but what is actually happening - what is happening is the true God (the truth, the way, the life).

Why should you believe anything...at all?
Beliefs and facts are different things.

What about the road in between. Service to only symbiotic relationships and removing all non symbiotic relationship from the equations so that the ones who parasite on others are not allowed this behavior.

You should not feed on others or allow others to feed on you (others should not be allowed to feed on you). Anyone who feeds on another soul should be put in insane asylum since it is clearly insane by it's fruits.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
What about the road in between. Service to only symbiotic relationships and removing all non symbiotic relationship from the equations so that the ones who parasite on others are not allowed this behavior.

You should not feed on others or allow others to feed on you (others should not be allowed to feed on you). Anyone who feeds on another soul should be put in insane asylum since it is clearly insane by it's fruits.

The "food chain" concept is built in this universe, as seen in "nature". So the insanity is at a bigger level and we've got caught in it, I guess.

originally posted by: arpgme

If self-sacrificing religions worked, there would be peace in the middle-east.

Just out of interest and pure logic
What religion in the middle east are you referring to

I am guessing islam, though for the life of me you cant be thinking .....

Yeah but nah

a reply to: borntowatch

I said religions with the letter "s" , plural.

Islam says deny yourself and obey the scriptures. That's a religion self-sacrifice.

originally posted by: arpgme
Nobody should be forced to do something they don't want to do. That's disrespect to free-will. Forcing others to be service-to-others is the same thing as oppressing and enslaving them.

Living for your own happiness is saying "no" to oppression and manipulation.

See, but if you are living in service to yourself,
and forcing others to do something they don't want to do
will make you happy, joyous, and gain abundance,
Then you do it.

There's the problem with imbalance.

a reply to: Bluesma

But forcing others to be service-to-others (by forcing them to serve you) is going against the very philosophy of service-to-self.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Bluesma

But forcing others to be service-to-others (by forcing them to serve you) is going against the very philosophy of service-to-self.

From your definition of service-to-self. But your definition is not the ones that is used by people forcing others to their wills by saying they are service to self.

When I discuss service to self then the parasitic is included in that definition and bending others to be enslaved to your will and do things against their will is service to the self at the cost off others.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: borntowatch

I said religions with the letter "s" , plural.

Islam says deny yourself and obey the scriptures. That's a religion self-sacrifice.

Now dont be silly

You said
"If self-sacrificing religions worked, there would be peace in the middle-east. "

Clearly those religions (that one) are not self sacrificing, they are killing others

Irrespective, what religion-ssss (plural) are you talking about.
Judaism is not self sacrificing and NEITHER is Islam, just in case you didnt notice

Or did you mean they should put a gun to their own heads and shoot themselves, thats a self sacrifice.

I wonder if you knew what you meant yourself

Not very well thought out was it?

a reply to: LittleByLittle

But look who controls the service-to-others groups? Those same parasitic people. They shame others as "selfish" and approve of selfless actions for their own benefits.

If everyone were service-to-self and approved of service-to-self, it would be difficult for such groups to be created and sustain themselves and control others.

a reply to: borntowatch

Clearly those religions (that one) are not self sacrificing, they are killing others

And why do they kill others? For their god/leaders. They are taught to deny themselves and obey. They actually believe that their killing is good because they are putting themselves at risk for their leaders/god.

The Roman soldiers felt the same for their Roman Emperors.

Now that I read back what I said, it sounds like it's an even deeper issue, conformity.

No one is responsible for your happiness but you.
You can always choose to be happy and work towards being more joyful.
And of course treating others correctly is a part of that.
Not a judgement but an observation.
a reply to: arpgme

I always think there is supposed to be a balance between self and those around you. Win/win's. Happiness and pursuing your talents and striving to stay in higher frequency happiness, but also looking out for the needs of those around you and lending a helping hand, being a good influence, and helping to solve problems.

Politically, minus the elite groups running things, but in terms of collectivity, venus project run by grass roots extremely well educated people, and absolutely no elites, is essential, it ends scarsity. But not if people don't continue to contribute ideas, talents and design clean technology, ie create.

Beehive is not helping others! It is just a system of scarsity that enriches the elite even more, and gives them even more power over people. That is the opposite of STO, which means freeing people, upholding their individuality, agreeing to disagree, but ensuring that they have substenance and the work stations to develop every gift and talent around them, unlike our inner cities and models that keep people in extreme scarsity, who can lift an idea off, or buy supplies to build anything, develop any gift. When you don't have enough money to live on, and the CIA has hooked you onto drugs to make the stresses a tiny bit more bearable, but they add crime and whole lot of other stresses, so you're perpetually in the hole, even 200 dollars for woodworking tools or art supplies is like saying a million dollars. You can't do anything.

So, your thread is approaching this from an either or perspective.

Because those political ISMs or systems are the evil way the government makes either/or.

The truth and goodness and positive systems take some of the best of all systems but are creative, upgrading, changeable, they try things out, they think tank, and adjust things as needed and are all about wedding Freedom and Equality.

Why not both? Serve yourself but do not let it interfere with serving others and vice versa. If you only serve yourself then you do it at the detriment of others and if you only serve others then you do it at a detriment to yourself. Finding a balance between the two is key.