Introducing the Shadow Government, I.E. WINDOWS 10 And Your Very Own A. I. Assistant!

I can see a day where looking up porn will be met by. . . .

This provides a stark lesson in the damaging effects of MARKET MONOPOLIES. All of the major computer makers bundle their PCs with Windows - whether you want Windows or not. Order a PC and tell them you want Linux installed, and they'll still charge you for Windows - then charge you to uninstall it and install another OS. (reference: Bundling of Microsoft Windows)

Worse, is that Linux must now pass a Microsoft-approved program before it can be installed as an alternate boot OS;

Microsoft tightens Windows 10's Secure Boot screws: Where does that leave Linux?

Linu x’s worst-case scenario: Windows 10 makes Secure Boot mandatory, locks out other operating systems

I think the point is long past that people dump Microsoft - and Google - for good.

It's funny hearing people flip out from things they simply don't really know about. There's something called windows services, you can toggle on and off whatever services you like. You could also just opt out of windows and go with... anything else. I would find this more a minor nuisance than something to freak out over.

I try to keep this in mind when hearing about things that I'm also not too aware of, fresh in mind, and someone presents it as xxx rated doom to bang one out to. It's tempting to tag team in with the group, but I mean... naw, I'll pass. Probably just ignorant, and risking diseases not yet categorized.

a reply to: paxnatus

You aren't forced to use W10 of course, you might instead use Open Source software. But to be honest: that too could be riddled with hooks and backdoors. To prevent that, you should firstly be capable of reading and understanding a lot of programming languages. You should then download all source code that allows you to build your OS. Then study these in detail, assuring there are no backdoors built in. Then compile them with your secure compiler - the one that you checked yourself too and also build from source code.

But it's quite a daunting task given the huge size of the source code of a modern OS and its applications.

So, even if you go for Open Source software, there aren't guarantees you won't be bugged. But on the other hand: at least the builders of Open Source software KNOW their code is out in the open and it mostly is reviewed by their peers, whom would take great pleasure in publicly pointing out any backdoors, trojans and other sicko stuff.

Ditch Windows, go Linux.

a reply to: paxnatus

Your welcome paxnatus
1 does APOLLOS for freaking you out a bit.
Just found it very interesting the names Cortana and Spartan are being associated with this new A.I. systems...

Since hearing about W10 I've really been trying more than before to try to start migrating to some form of Linux. It used to be more of a novelty for me to play around with when I really wanted to torture myself and possibly render my PC unusable. It's pretty sad to say that the day may be approaching when we might need to depend on Linux to entirely replace Windows.

I have never liked the way Linux works or the way things are handled by the people who maintain it. They simply don't care about people who are not complete geeks and it doesn't bother them at all if you have to pay for an OS simply because you are not savvy enough to use their free OS. Even the distros that are designed for beginners are nothing to play around with. If you have Windows installed on your PC and you don't know exactly what you're doing you'd better take the cover off and simply disconnect the drive with Windows on it before you even try to run Linux.

All that said, again, I'm trying to acclimate myself to it and I'm hoping they will eventually decide that being a real alternative to Windows is more important than being so different just installing it is torture.

originally posted by: paxnatus
a reply to: apoc36

What makes you think Windows 10 will be any different than Chrome and their ability to listen to every conversation you have had and repeat aloud all of your browser searches and those conversations whenever it chooses....That is exactly what was downloaded onto all your electronics if you have installed Chrome and ever used voice search....Oh yes I forgot to say Google announced because you at some point uttered the words "ok google" you gave them permission to do so.....

And its still out there....being discussed here as a matter of fact......

abovetopsecret

Thanks
Pax

Every company does that. But they want to control you or anything, they just do that to sell you stuff. How do you think Facebook survives. By checking your history and offering you stuff to buy from other companies. Also Cortana is light years away of being an I.A. She's just there to help people who really don't know how to use a computer.

a reply to: paxnatus

It's a cool conspiracy theory, but many of us have been running Win 10 for weeks or months now, and the personal assistant doesn't ever pop up unless you click in the "search the web and windows" box in the taskbar. Even then, you don't have to use it, as you can still just type in a search in the same way you always have, so no biggie.

This stuff reminds me of 3D tv technology which epically fails everytime.These things never are any good because they become a hassle to deal with and just silly and a gimmick.

So Windows 10 will come and everyone will use it the old way which is far better.Much like the voice commands for XBOXONE that nobody uses.

a reply to: paxnatus

I know, but you said Google will be in control. Google is not Microsoft. Why would Microsoft give control to Google?

All the info the goverment has colected about You.
it was to go in to a Big computer.
so they could Profiles us.
so they could prodict what we do.

but now they have US buy the program to do all this.
Your own computer is you goverment watcher.
if you do some thing you should not or some thing Odd.
then it calls they and tells them you have gone bad.
and they should Deale with You.

Windows 11 will Deale with you its self.
maybe kill you!

GET LINUX ! can you even see this last bit?
linux mint.
you can play lots of windows games and progs.
Steam too.

You can put Linux mint and others on the Same disk!
you just copy a CD/DVD and then start the computer.
easy ! and Lots of sides will give help.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Since hearing about W10 I've really been trying more than before to try to start migrating to some form of Linux. It used to be more of a novelty for me to play around with when I really wanted to torture myself and possibly render my PC unusable. It's pretty sad to say that the day may be approaching when we might need to depend on Linux to entirely replace Windows.

I have never liked the way Linux works or the way things are handled by the people who maintain it. They simply don't care about people who are not complete geeks and it doesn't bother them at all if you have to pay for an OS simply because you are not savvy enough to use their free OS. Even the distros that are designed for beginners are nothing to play around with. If you have Windows installed on your PC and you don't know exactly what you're doing you'd better take the cover off and simply disconnect the drive with Windows on it before you even try to run Linux.

All that said, again, I'm trying to acclimate myself to it and I'm hoping they will eventually decide that being a real alternative to Windows is more important than being so different just installing it is torture.

You just tell them That you will Not use Windows.
they can not make you pay.
you then get a Linux CD/DVD and do a clean install.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
This provides a stark lesson in the damaging effects of MARKET MONOPOLIES. All of the major computer makers bundle their PCs with Windows - whether you want Windows or not. Order a PC and tell them you want Linux installed, and they'll still charge you for Windows - then charge you to uninstall it and install another OS. (reference: Bundling of Microsoft Windows)

Worse, is that Linux must now pass a Microsoft-approved program before it can be installed as an alternate boot OS;

Microsoft tightens Windows 10's Secure Boot screws: Where does that leave Linux?

Linu x’s worst-case scenario: Windows 10 makes Secure Boot mandatory, locks out other operating systems

I think the point is long past that people dump Microsoft - and Google - for good.

originally posted by: apoc36
a reply to: paxnatus

Windows 10 is created by Microsoft. Google really has nothing to do with it. Microsoft also controls cortana .You can easily turn it off if you do not want that feature. I understand that you may think it can still collect all your data and keep learning. But trust me if you turn if off its off. There is plenty of techies out there that will make sure our windows software cannot and will not do what we don't want it to. If Microsoft would try to pull one over on us. It would be found out the very first week windows 10 is released and there would be huge law suits. Techies and hackers will go thru windows 10 with a fine tooth comb.

You dont have to worry.

That's what I was thinking. I imagine that you could stop it from taskmanager=startup. They could run it secretly in the background but that is a huge risk if techies find out and spill the beans. In any case, doesn't the NASA already do this?? Gather information, organize and create profiles as whistleblown by Snowdon. An A.I. might be better at understanding our personality and then give that personality profile to the NSA or other government agency. Thereby creating a more well rounded profile for whatever reason. Its all possible, not sure if it even makes that much of a difference if it was done though. Anyway, it can't be worse than Google's ducking tablet that auto corrects me even with auto correct ducking off. This paragraph took so damn long to type because their idiotic keyboard corrector.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: paxnatus

Mine will keep bugging me with a short phrase: "Sir, do you require more T&A sites to be pulled from the internet for your pleasure today?"

Or this one :

Scuse me sir, that website is not pg-13. *few seconds later, cyber police arrest you*.


Honestly I dont trust windows 10. But hey thats just me.


Edit: Beezer beat me with a better comment above. and sadly... yea...it had a good chance to come to pass.

Cover the cam with tape and disable the microphone.

originally posted by: pirhanna
I think the concept of "pre-crime" put into practice is only 15 years out, assuming the ruling elite dont nuke us all into oblivion first. The first stes toward that reality are all being put into place from computing to currwnt police tactics and drones.

We will be arrested for crimes we havent committed because the AI says we will do them.

Interesting idea.

I th8ink it's more than just AI, though. Imagine a unit working for homeland security which creates profiles to identify potential shooters or terrorists. ONE of the tools they use is AI. They have many.

But your idea has merit. IF AI assistants become commonplace and smart enough, they might start to call 9/11 to report you to authorities? Or maybe they'd at least warn you that your mental state is unstable and maybe you should check into the local clinic? "Sir, I'm worried about your mental health. I have a list of websites you can visit. Are you interested?""

Frankly I'm more worried about people becoming more like AI than AI becoming more like people. My feeling is even as AI gets smarter and more threatening, we'll become more like robots and less hostile to it. People who're not threatened by loss of control, for example. People who will acquiesce to authority much sooner and with fewer complaints. Not quite cogs in a machine, but moreso than we're today. They'll be mentally stable, smarter and more long lived. Perhaps it's just evolution.

Hi Pax, I guess my first question would be why would it matter? Technology progresses in order to make things easier for people - although it does tend to have repercussions such as changing people's jobs (ie. The Industrial revolution) which means humans must continue to evolve as conditions change.

I personally do not really see many downsides and I seriously look forward to a world ala. Star Trek where one can just say "computer" and a non-corporal voice answers your request. If you are talking more about privacy? We don't exactly have much of that any more and it has nothing to do with Cortana or the proposed Windows 10. The moment that we moved to a digital world, we lost any hope of remaining anonymous.

For instance:

I have NEXUS due to frequent travel between the US and Canada, as part of the application process, they took both Fingerprint and pictures of my eyeballs. So basically, I exist in a database 'somewhere' but it sure does speed up crossing the border.

How about:

Credit Card and Debit Card Purchases - Tracked
Phone Call using a land line - Tracked
Cell phone calls - Tracked

Now its important to say that some governmental controls are becoming almost paranoid in nature - but the average law abiding citizen should not have anything to worry about.. I hope..

slowly walk away from the computer

otherwise this wont end well

a reply to: paxnatus

I must say, I wasn't really expecting AI doom porn.

Okay so that's great! How helpful, thank you Google!!

The "Mega Lords" at Google do!

Master Switch Google is going to be able to say

You're conflating Google and Microsoft. While they're similarly massive and both have a history of rolling over for the NSA, they're not the same.

but what happens when that assistant learns more than you do? Think about that a moment....Your assistant now has your personality traits but has the brain of a computer.....It is learning everything about you and the added benefit of computing information at warp speed! And face it, a humans brain is no match for a compute

PC hardware is a long way from being able to host an AI like you're imagining. You're really selling the human brain short. The most advanced AIs like IBM's Watson actually run on server clusters with thousands of processor cores and dozens of terabytes of RAM and even then, they're good only at very specialized tasks.

By all means be worried about your privacy, because massive databases are out there in which all sorts of information about everyone one of us and our habits, preferences, etc are being stored and mined to draw conclusions about us. That's happening now and it's going to continue to happen regardless of whether or not Microsoft adds a little natural language processing in the form of an "assistant" that acts as a front end for search functionality.

Hopefully it's less annoying than Microsoft's last attempt at an "AI" assistant: