Question for the Democrat candidates...

a reply to: LDragonFire

And his "NO" vote WOULD HAVE killed it.

But he voted YES.

He loves the ACA.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire

And his "NO" vote WOULD HAVE killed it.

But he voted YES.

He loves the ACA.

How would his no vote kill it when the vote was 60-39? They only needed 60 to avoid a presidential veto????? Can you not count??

a reply to: nwtrucker

The Obama policies suck and are terrible. However, the Republican proposals are even worse. It is a matter of choosing between a disaster and a calamity. The big losers are the American people if the "approved" candidates in either party continue to be in control.

a reply to: theantediluvian

None of these actions by Obama were invented by him. He's not that smart/dedicated. he has, however, empowered these gov't agencies and departments to indulge in their individual wish lists. Common Core has gone massively national under Obama and empowered to the point-personal experience- that home schooled children-by parents not Common core trained- faced losing 'passing" marks for their children! EPA now wants to redefine their powers regulating water areas. Not to mention the coal industry issues. DEF in diesels...the list is long and continuous.

Really? Therefore we should ignore the massive legalization of illegals, giving corporations $3,000 for every newly legal immigrant hired-at the expense of our own unemployed? That list grows almost daily as well.

The point of the thread. however, is the lack of positioning, one way or the other in regards to Obama, his policies and administration. Warren has in one or two points, otherwise the name Obama or meaningful fixes is almost non-existent.

Position for or against issue of the current administration is the norm for candidates....at least it was....

a reply to: xuenchen

Ill let Bernie speak for himself 6 days ago:

a reply to: LDragonFire

All Sanders has said in regards to banks is the removal of Bank executives from the fed. Nice idea but lacking in substance. Lip-stick on a pig doesn't change the pig.

I'd like to see a link where to endorses a single payer socialist medical system. After this debacle that is called the ACA-no, not socialist other than an arbitrary enforcement- he wouldn't dare endorse socialized medicine.

Again. link please....

a reply to: nwtrucker

After this debacle that is called the ACA-no, not socialist other than an arbitrary enforcement- he wouldn't dare endorse socialized medicine.

Why?
The ACA is nothing near socialized medicine and people hate the ACA, seems like it would be the perfect time to.

At this point all you would have is the same thing from both sides, lip service.
That is all you get until one of them gets into office.

a reply to: nwtrucker
This was 5 years ago Im looking up the video from recently where he supports the same thing today.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Lip-stick on a pig doesn't change the pig.

LOL I thought this was the Bachmann thread

a reply to: LDragonFire

Man her body language is so aggressive.

Pointing over and over again and then crossing her arms after the questions is asked like "good luck with that one bernnie!"

a reply to: LDragonFire

ACA needed 60 votes to pass the Senate.

Bernie's "NO" vote would have failed the bill with only 59 yes votes left.

ACA was not a simple majority vote in the Senate.

Bernie likes the ACA.

He voted Yes.

ACA got zero Republican votes in the Senate and zero Republican votes in the House.

The Democrats own it 100%.

originally posted by: LDragonFire

How would his no vote kill it when the vote was 60-39? They only needed 60 to avoid a presidential veto????? Can you not count??

How did a Presidential veto enter into the ACA?

Obama signed it after it passed the House and Senate.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: xuenchen

Ill let Bernie speak for himself 6 days ago:

all talk no action as usual.

he voted in favor of the existing ACA.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The ACA is not socialized medicine. It is enforced private insurance.

Even Medicare and state Medicaid is a payment system to private providers in many cases.

Socialized medical coverage implies gov't providers by gov't employees. Doctors, nurses, etc. Even those that have had that system long term are introducing private options over and above the socialized versions to cover the weaknesses inherent in that system.

Both private and socialized versions are imperfect. At least the private version offers options...choice. I prefer that freedom over enforcement. That's just me however...

Sanders claims like I also feel that Healthcare should be a right: He wants a single payers system:

a reply to: LDragonFire

Bernie's scornful approach is turning people off.

He needs anger management.

a reply to: LDragonFire

Ok. That's his position. My problem with it is that 'right' the mantra in all political efforts, ends up being enforcement at some level and to some degree.

My view is let each state decide. Romney Care seems to work in Mass.. It was voted...VOTED for by the citizens of Mass.

All the more power to them. 'Right' becomes enforcement sooner or later...

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire

Bernie's scornful approach is turning people off.

He needs anger management.

He really worries you doesn't he?

a reply to: xuenchen

He has been gaining ground on hiliary since he has announced, but don't let that stand in your way.

originally posted by: LDragonFire


He really worries you doesn't he?

No.

I like the guy.

But he needs to outline the details of what he is for.

He always takes the easy "yes" route however (like the ACA that was written for him not by him).

Has he ever calculated the payroll tax increase necessary for Medicare for all citizens?

How about the other details?

If he thinks it's the way to go, why no details?

a reply to: Sremmos80

I agree it is nothing near socialized medicine. It is, however, a gov't enforced action/interference in the private system.

A good 70% where against the ACA and many that supported it aren't supporting it now. More promises from a candidate to 'fix' the system with a 'new' single payer/socialized system, IMO, will meet with even more resistance than it would have prior to the ACA.

Guilt by association.

Remember Hillary Care? It got the Dems a minority in Congress for the first time in forty years....