It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
You'd think that's the case, but a lot of precincts are hiring out of universities these days. The people they hire have, in most cases, no real world experience dealing with felons or extremely physical activity as part of the everyday job.
This makes them more afraid and by being afraid, are more likely to use lethal force or force in general to resolve situations, because they lack the skills otherwise.
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
I would imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong but most Leo's are bonded employees?
So I would imagine it would come out of their bond?
~Tenth
Lay claim to this corrupt cops SURETY BOND. .....Once a cop (and any other servant that takes an OATH OF OFFICE must be bonded with a surety bond.....once a surety bond is claimed and is paid out.. (usually insures for $10k) that person can NEVER be bonded again. ..can no longer be a cop.... -censored1
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
Nah you're right, it doesn't solve the overall problem. But at the very least it will make officers think twice about trying to grab my camera phone or whatever out of my hands and smash it into a million pieces because they are afraid of getting caught.
originally posted by: ObjectZero
The fact that this bill is even thought of as needed just goes to show how bad it is now.
I say they should keep an eye on anyone who presses for the bill not to be passed.
They might as well add theft and destruction of property to the charges along with the fine. But I figure they didn't place it in cause it would reduce the chances of the bill passing.
originally posted by: tothetenthpower
So I would imagine it would come out of their bond?
~Tenth
originally posted by: Bedlam
Ah, but here's the catch.
It will never come out of any LEOs pocketses. Not one cent.
originally posted by: boohoo
This is something I have been trying to find out as well, but no one seems to know the answer, even insurance companies. I once asked an underwriter to draft a policy that would specifically cover damages caused by police neglect and misconduct with private property, airline employee neglect and animal control unlawful seizure. While the underwriter did not say "no" to writing the policy, he did have concerns about local government "immunity" when a claim is made (for airlines, his concern was that lost property would eventually be returned, so filing a claim would need to wait until its deemed a total loss). His guess was that he had to write the policy in such a way that I would be paying a high premium to cover myself and that the insurance company would likely never be able to subrogate the damages from the airline LEO, government employee or their department, nor would the insurance company be willing to risk taking the matter to court.
So my question is, if LEO's are bonded, can an excessive amount of claims render them un-bondable or result in a rate so high that the LEO, nor his department can actually pay for it, essentially forcing them to leave the profession? Also if they do carry them, are they Performance Bonds, Surety Bonds, etc? I have no idea and apparently nobody else does either.
Here is a company that sells such policies, BUT how does the average citizen make a claim against an individual LEO's bond?
Bonding for Officers of the Law
Here is another, but the selling point is that the bond is protecting the LEO's during the seizure of citizens assets:
Looking For A Sheriffs Indemnity Surety Bond?
Here is an article where someone posted in the comments to lay claim to the cops Surety Bond because it will render them unbondable in the future.
Atlantic City Cop Ordered to Pay $250,000 From Own Pocket to Citizen He Abused
How does one go about doing that?
So what states require an officer to be bonded? Is there a list somwhere?
originally posted by: boohoo
For example, what if people collectively started making claims against a particular officers bond in civil court or by some other means?
originally posted by: Bedlam
I'm of the opinion that even if you took it to civil court, you're going to run up against the qualified immunity thing again, where the cop can't be legally held liable for shooting your dog to get your attention, or knocking the door in on the wrong house or whatnot.
And it's going to cost you more than the $10k in lawyer fees.
originally posted by: boohoo
But is court always required to make a claim against a bond? Also what if a lawyer or paralegal were to draft up process that any laymen could used to file a claim against an officers bond?
originally posted by: Bedlam
Well, again in my opinion, they're an insurance company, basically. I doubt they'll just pay you if you ask for the money real nice.
That said, it would be funny to find out that was possible. You should pursue it.