Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

People on here wouldn't believe in a lion if it eating their own foot.

And don't compare US investigations with German.

In the US there would several agencies investigating different aspects of the crash.
NTSB - FAA - Boeing/Airbus - The Senate - The House

a reply to: AgentSmith

It will be interesting to see the 'releases' from the FDR. Unlikely that any inconsistencies would be 'found', it is all suspiciously convenient from the start.

It is difficult not to see the investigation so far as unsuspicious given the total lack of protocol, immediate blame, various inconsistencies and that 'evidence' miraculously appears the next day.

The real conspiracy here is you all against TPTB trying to spin this as anything other then a homicidal, suicidal pilot.

a reply to: Vaedur

Or commenting on inconsistencies. Perhaps you are the unquestioning sort that simply believes everything ''TBTB'' throws at you via MSM?

Does corruption exist in your opinion?

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

they just had a news blurb on the tv...the co-pilot planned this for a LONG time...waiting for them to get to the story...will report back with details

a reply to: research100

researched cockpit security and suicide on his tablet days before the crash...found the other black box today...many cell phones, damaged but they are trying to info off of them....some european group supposedly has a clip of the plane flying...but it is a mystery as to how they got it or if it is real

a reply to: research100

Have you noticed how they keep saying that he looked at the security of the doors "for several minutes". I have noticed many of the reports listing it this way. It seems so strange.
1. Wouldn't you really do some research to see everything you need to know if you are going to bother to do the research?
2. How do they know it was several minutes and not hours?

"In addition, on at least one day, (Lubitz) concerned himself for several minutes with search terms about cockpit doors and their security precautions," he added.

Yahoo: Prosecutors: Lubitz probed suicide methods, cockpit security

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: research100

Have you noticed how they keep saying that he looked at the security of the doors "for several minutes". I have noticed many of the reports listing it this way. It seems so strange.
1. Wouldn't you really do some research to see everything you need to know if you are going to bother to do the research?
2. How do they know it was several minutes and not hours?

"In addition, on at least one day, (Lubitz) concerned himself for several minutes with search terms about cockpit doors and their security precautions," he added.

Yahoo: Prosecutors: Lubitz probed suicide methods, cockpit security

Well, it was a complete idiot.

So it is no surprise he didn't know his own job that well.

originally posted by: Conspiracytruths
www.conspiracytruths.co.uk...

Not buying the suicide theory, please check out my article

You are correct, it is NOT suicide.

It was MASS MURDER:

Shame on him, shame on his family, shame on the airline.



PS: that web site is an eyesore to read. How easier design and colours on the eyes? Garish bright colours on a dark background is eye gouging.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: AgentSmith

It will be interesting to see the 'releases' from the FDR. Unlikely that any inconsistencies would be 'found', it is all suspiciously convenient from the start.

It is difficult not to see the investigation so far as unsuspicious given the total lack of protocol, immediate blame, various inconsistencies and that 'evidence' miraculously appears the next day.

Questionable methods does not invalidate the findings. One should also remember that the official proclamations blaming the pilot come from the responsible criminal prosecutor, while the aviation agency releases their information very differently. In short, there is not ONE investigation whose findings we get, but several running parallel.

I have also yet to see a factual inconsistency that holds up to more than 10 seconds of scrutiny.

So far, we have a picture of the situation where all the available direct and circumstantial evidence can be explained by the prominent theory of murder-suicide. While all other options require a -sometimes- ridiculous amount of simultaneous coincidences to work together within the 10 minutes.

And until we have even a slight bit of evidence pointing in another direction, there is nothing wrong with following the oh so dreadful official view.

originally posted by: Conspiracytruths
www.conspiracytruths.co.uk...

Not buying the suicide theory, please check out my article

I did, and please go and do some very basic research on physics and aviation technology before you ever attempt to write such an "analysis" again. Then again, the truth is not really your motivation, right?

a reply to: Lonestar24

You should stop making presumptions about how I think and my opinions.

If I think something that in my educated opinion is questionable, it is my choice and opinion, regardless of your unquestioning mindset, so kindly keep your opinion of my right to question things to yourself.

The facts are that you have zero clue as to the integrity of this investigation so stop egotistically pretending to yourself otherwise.

Do you believe that corruption exists within governments and their agencies?

Most recent reports about the second black box.

www.telegraph.co.uk... ted-deliberately.html

The second black box found after the Germanwings plane crashed into the French Alps last month has confirmed that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately caused the disaster, French investigators said.
According to the investigators, he repeatedly accelerated the airline as he crashed into a mountain in the French Alps killing 150 people.
The French BEA crash invesigators said in a statement that the pilot changed the settings to increase the plane's speed.
"A first reading shows that the pilot in the cockpit used the automatic pilot to descend the plane towards an altitude of 100 feet (30 metres). Then, several times during the descent, the pilot changed the automatic pilot settings to increase the aircraft's speed," BEA said.
The information from the flight data recorder comes a day after authorities found the second black box, nine days after the crash.
BEA added that they were "continuing to determine the precise sequence of events during the flight".

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Most recent reports about the second black box.

www.telegraph.co.uk... ted-deliberately.html

The second black box found after the Germanwings plane crashed into the French Alps last month has confirmed that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately caused the disaster, French investigators said.
According to the investigators, he repeatedly accelerated the airline as he crashed into a mountain in the French Alps killing 150 people.
The French BEA crash invesigators said in a statement that the pilot changed the settings to increase the plane's speed.
"A first reading shows that the pilot in the cockpit used the automatic pilot to descend the plane towards an altitude of 100 feet (30 metres). Then, several times during the descent, the pilot changed the automatic pilot settings to increase the aircraft's speed," BEA said.
The information from the flight data recorder comes a day after authorities found the second black box, nine days after the crash.
BEA added that they were "continuing to determine the precise sequence of events during the flight".

We already seen that from the decoded telemetry broadcast on Flight Radar 24.

He set the target altitude on the TWICE, once to circa 13800 ft and then to 96ft.

That is unexplainable and unfathomable in the Alps!





All likely explanations point to him being a MASS MURDER.

All those airplane/pilot fan boys just like the police sympathisers with their defence and alternate theories, whilst welcome to have alternate views, don't like this but in all likelihood, it is an act of MASS MURDER.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Lonestar24

You should stop making presumptions about how I think and my opinions.

If I think something that in my educated opinion is questionable, it is my choice and opinion, regardless of your unquestioning mindset, so kindly keep your opinion of my right to question things to yourself.

The facts are that you have zero clue as to the integrity of this investigation so stop egotistically pretending to yourself otherwise.

Do you believe that corruption exists within governments and their agencies?

Completely tangential argument. Whether or not corruption exists in any given government does not in any way bolster your denial of the facts in this matter, to be fair. Yesterday people were so very, very sure that the second box was not even going to show up, as though "they" were afraid of what it contained. Now, because of a continuing and diligent search not involving people on the internet, the second box has been found and further information has been gleaned from it. The guy crashed the plane on purpose. The evidence has been clear from minute one. There is no evidence of any cover-up and not one person on this thread, yourself and the nice gentleman from UK with the terrible website included, has been able to put forth anything at all to support the notion that "they" are covering up anything. To the contrary, every single shred of known evidence and every single logical inference points clearly and convincingly to a murder/suicide in this matter. The proper investigatory agencies have been on the scene as quickly as they could be and have been very, very dedicated in their efforts. The logistics, and reason for, any proposed cover-up here are simply unfathomable and inconceivable, respectively. Questioning for the sake of questioning is really not denying ignorance. And by that, I mean that simply racing to the be the first to say "something doesn't smell right" or "yeah, that's what TMSM wants you to believe" is not denying ignorance. If you have some sort of logical idea as to a conspiracy here or if you have even one shred of anything that even vaguely resembles evidence of one, how about sharing it? That might make people less completely dismissive of your feelings on the matter. Because, again, simply saying that you don't believe something is not a theory.

a reply to: jaffo

Both you and the other person commenting about my comments are making STRAWMAN arguments.

Just because I am QUESTIONING the investigation and it's immediate blame sans FDR, all wrapped up neatly, disregarding actual PROTOCOL isn't an excuse for making assumptions about my opinion or calling me a ''fanboy'' etc.

Go actually read my posts instead of making presumptions as all you people do is looking for an excuse to attack regardless of who actually said which things. Go on post all of my comments on this thread and try 'picking them apart', do you even read the comments? It doesn't look like it! Putting scathing comments on ATS about things you think I said and presuming my opinion is the stuff of idiots and trolls.

So both of you, less of the presumptions and name calling.

There are questionable ethics and integrity about this investigation and how it has been portrayed in MSM since the start, whether you like it or not.

For all either of you know, that plane could have been blasted out the sky as all you know about it is that which is fed to you via MSM. You are not investigators nor insiders you are MSM consumers and know nothing about anything behind the scenes.

So you can both get down from your ''there is no corruption'' high horses and admit you could have been lied to and you wouldn't know the difference. If the story from the start was something else you would be here parroting MSM version regardless of the actual facts.

I and many others choose to question the way this story has played, it is a right and you should think yourself lucky that there are those that bother to question things and search for the truth, if you were ever framed for something you would expect those that question things to be asking questions.

Go put your blinkers back on, reality might just hit your eyes. They are missing you in troll land.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: jaffo

Both you and the other person commenting about my comments are making STRAWMAN arguments.

Just because I am QUESTIONING the investigation and it's immediate blame sans FDR, all wrapped up neatly, disregarding actual PROTOCOL isn't an excuse for making assumptions about my opinion or calling me a ''fanboy''.

So both of you, less of the presumptions and name calling.

There are questionable ethics and integrity about this investigation and how it has been portrayed in MSM since the start, whether you like it or not.

For all either of you know, that plane could have been blasted out the sky as all you know about it is that which is fed to you via MSM. You are not investigators nor insiders you are MSM consumers and no nothing about anything behind the scenes.

So you can both get down from your ''there is no corruption'' high horses and admit you could have been lied to and you wouldn't know the difference. If the story from the start was something else you would be here parroting MSM version regardless of the actual facts.

I and many others choose to question the way this story has played, it is a right and you should think yourself lucky that there are those that bother to question things and search for the truth, if you were ever framed for something you would expect those that question things to be asking questions.

Go put your blinkers back on, reality might just hit your eyes.

Settle down, already. No one is calling you names, at least I am not. You, however, are pretty close to ad hominem in your most recent post with your remarks about myself and others being "fed" things by MSM and such, so maybe you should take your own advice. Also, no one said that corruption does not exist, despite your assertion to the contrary. At any rate, you throwing that out here as though it somehow proves something is ridiculous. It's like a glacier tore my house down but you insist it was a fire, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. And when we point out that evidence of a glacier, you keep screaming "Oh, you don't believe fire exists?!" Sure, it does, but there is no evidence of it in that scenario. So too here there just is no evidence of corruption in this investigation at this point, making your assertions absolutely baseless. They hit that mountain fast and hard with this investigation and they have not relented. They immediately began investigating the man who was at the helm when the plane crashed and interviewing those who know him. Because, LOGIC. Where exactly is your evidence that there are ANY "questionable ethics and integrity" in this investigation?! What gives you the right to slander the people working so hard to get the facts you so plainly ignore? What EXACTLY has been unethical about this investigation? Following the facts? That's unethical of the investigators? Where exactly has there been any lack of integrity in this investigation, whatever in the World that even means. And as far as getting down off of any high horse is concerned, maybe you should think about doing the same. Because I don't see you looking for any facts or adding anything constructive to the thread. You just keep getting angry when people question your baseless assertions. Lastly, you clearly do not know what a Strawman Argument actually is.

And just so we do not get derailed here completely, I will ask again: Do you have an actual theory as to what happened, why it happened, who is covering it up, why they are covering it up, and how they are covering it up? Thanks much.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Lonestar24

You should stop making presumptions about how I think and my opinions.

...The facts are that you have zero clue as to the integrity of this investigation so stop egotistically pretending to yourself otherwise.

...at no point did I make any presumption about your opinions up there, making your wahhwahh kind of pointless.

Later you accuse me of strawman argumentation, while you happily indulge into them yourself - the issue at hand is not the conduct of the investigation, it is its findings. And why would I question the integrity of the investigation? There have been thousands of air accident investigations throughout the years, involving all the big names in the industry. Many times have the manufacturers or operating companies been assigned part or all of the blame. Noone questions THOSE findings. Yet every time when "non-corporate" factors are apparently to blame, its suddenly all a big coverup. That is kind of a cheap reflex.

No, it is not the integrity of the investigators that is questionable, without evidence at hand.

Do you believe that corruption exists within governments and their agencies?

Certainly it does. And? The real issue is, does it exist in 100% of the government 100% of the time. It doesnt.

I also happen to believe that it would have been the easier way to fault the technology - I think it is a much larger "powderkeg" to think about the implications of a murder-suicide, which will call for a review how we handle mental illness not only in security-relevant jobs, but in our society in general. As such, if we actually believe for a moment that Mr Lubitz has been blamed maliciously... that would be an extremely poor choice of a cover up, since the result is much less controllable than saying "it was this rivet / that computer subroutine, we´ll fix it".

a reply to: Lonestar24

there was a blurb on the tv news earlier this morning, the co-pilot kept increasing the speed of the plane