The Immortal Cabal Ruling Our Planet

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: soficrow

Would you please explain how you would imprison a non-human person who doesn't have a body?

I'm assuming that corporations have human representatives, who make their deals, and form their corporations.

Trouble is, the human representatives are well-insulated legally - the best you can hope for is to nail some low-level scapegoat - and it is impossible to imprison non-human corporate persons. Laws would need to be changed.

...I would like to see amendments made to our policies, but perhaps my thoughts here are too far off-topic for the specificities of the OP.

No - your thoughts are not off topic, they're good ones with just a way to go. Thing is, policies have no clout - and international law trumps national law. That's one big thing global "free" trade agreements have accomplished - nations like the US and Canada are now forced by international law to "harmonize" national laws with the laws determined by the "free" trade deals. Meaning we are legally bound to change our laws to comply with international agreements. It's a bit of a legal tangle, but like you, I'm thinking there must be some way out of this mess.

a reply to: CranialSponge

I wanted to include the corporation-nation comparison in my OP, but couldn't find any at the time. Finally, here's one from 2012. [Sources: Forbes, International Monetary Fund, CIA Fact-book]

THE CORPORATIONS BIGGER THAN NATIONS

37 of the world’s 100 largest economies are corporations. Of those 37, most of them are oil companies or banks. It’s worth bearing this in mind when considering why the problem of rising inequality or our failure to act on climate change.

Corporations either need elimination or serious restraint and oversight. I vote the former as any controls are voted away by Congress. Our monetary system is their primary means of exerting control so obviously that too needs substitution. Just thinking out loud here.

I saw it coming in the 80's and was the reason I refused to shop at Walmart or buy anything made in China. My family thought I was crazy to not take advantage of their "low, low prices". The true cost is plain in the unemployment figures today. What really aggravates me is all those people I warned years ago seem to have forgotten and make excuses for the way things are today. A species that fails to learn from it's mistakes is doomed. This path we're on cannot continue forever as the system literally preys on itself.

I suppose things must run their course before any meaningful change can begin. Frankenstein was given life now we must watch until it eventually destroys itself.

Great thread Sofi, good to see you!

great topic but i really dont think there is anything we can do at this point. we are so far deep we cant dig ourselves out. any opposition to the way things are run quickly gets snuffed out. remember occupy wall street? same thing. just a faint memory now.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I see two arguments on ATS:

1. The government is evil!

2. Corporations are evil!

So ATS -- which is it? Which regime would you rather live under? Oppression from "the company" or "the man"?

People fail to realize that it's the same outcome in either extreme. There has to be a balance between private industry and government involvement.

Why the dualistic approach? Do you truly believe there are no other options?

Some Venn Diagrams help with the perspective....

18 Venn diagrams showing how corrupted American ‘democracy’ really is

This phenomenal series of Venn diagrams shows in painstaking detail just how corrupted our political system in the United States has become.

When I look at the the connections of Goldman Sachs, it makes me wonder how anyone thought that people actually had the brazenness to claim that those pointing out the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington conspiracy theorists.

Thankfully, as is often the case, the so-called “Government Sachs” conspiracy theorists were right all along, and when it is laid out as it is above it makes it obvious why this is the case.

a reply to: xuenchen

I see Xuechan is pulling out the lopsided venn diagram that made the rounds in the RM media a while back. Sadly that venn diagram omits all the Republican ties to Goldman Sachs and other big Wall Street banks, and those Republican ties greatlu outnumber those to Democrats. (Just to give you a sample, Clarence Thomas and Donald Rumsfeld should be on that list.)

Covered in several old ATS posts:

Goldman Sachs GOP ties
Monsanto GOP ties

If you can't be honest in presenting this sort of list Xu, then you betray your partisan intents - not that your post history has ever left that in doubt.

If you want to look into any international conspiracy of who's controlling the world, look at the 1% of the 1% (the 0.01% of the richest people WORLDWIDE) and see who you've never heard of.

It's the richest people world wide that aren't always in the media spotlight that will be the REAL puller of strings behind the scenes, not the folks you see in the news every day. Donald Trump, Warren Buffett, Koch Brothers, et al are all just diversions away from what's really going on.

The bigger the bluster, the less likely they're involved in anything that's really happening.

a reply to: soficrow

This thread needs a sticky all its own....bookmarked!
Some of the most thought provoking ideas debated that Iv'e seen in a long time.

What ATS used to be....

Hello Soficrow:
Seems like you are halfway there:

So, the corporation was a method to provide that immortal system, by which we just spun a circle in time, instead of ever moving forward, supposedly while

they searched for the elusive “elixir of life.”

Have they found that, and if they did, then what would happen? I am wondering. These are the questions that we now linger upon…..
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I see two arguments on ATS:

1. The government is evil!

2. Corporations are evil!

So ATS -- which is it? Which regime would you rather live under? Oppression from "the company" or "the man"?

People fail to realize that it's the same outcome in either extreme. There has to be a balance between private industry and government involvement.

Those are the only two options?

How about the complete eradication of humans & their broken social systems.

Yes, yes, let's go with that one.

I think they could have written their own death certificate in the nearby future.. The answer IMO could be lying within the artificial intelligence..

We may be feared of this system thats going to be outsmart us in the future but if its creating a conscientiousness it might discover that most of the people are modern slaves to the economy.

Some of those systems could sympathize with us ,and want to work with us to stop this unjustifiable cause of life among peoples of the world.

As I see it maybe these systems are going to run over our servers and starting to learn about us,then some AI's will split off the original source AI and could copy its own program and eventually multiplying itself like we reproduce our-selfs.

And as every human being will be unique in its own way I guess.. But thats just a bunch of guessing ofcourse but I see an opening here for future collaborating with AI's and maybe we could grant them real life in the near future , like Pinocchio...

If not the AI's will rule the world and we will be slaves under their authority but either way big brother looses again, but we all probably will then?

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: TRiPWiRE

I'll point out that no-one controls my families food. We're pretty much totally self sufficient.

You do realize that that you dont actually own your own land? You only have a temporary right to use it. Eminent domain can take it at anytime.

So... you're saying we should just give up? It's not something I've lost any sleep over.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Thanks. Maybe you can help with this.

According to this chart, per person employee contributions to the corporate economy is in the million$. That means each employee generates millions of dollars for the corporation each year. So I’m wondering - How much do they get to pocket? Not counting the 1%.

This is the amount each employee generates per year for these corporations:

Royal Dutch Shell: $5,370,115

Exxon Mobil: $5,472,741

S’nopec-China Petroleum: $1,094,352

BP: $4,327,888


Then there’s Apple, at $2,262,353. Per employee.


I confess - my eyes are bad. Could someone please check these figures? And perhaps explain how it all works?

Thanks, sofi


....Just seems to be onehelluva profit margin.

a reply to: combatmaster

If everyone knows that the world population are slaves to big corp than I wouldn't have to argue it with almost everyone I come across. The truth is this site and the idea itself are a small minority. If we stopped talking about it all together our chances of ever changing it would be less than now.

Those corporation still don't come near touching the Rothschild's and their control threw their central banks.

Plus I'm sure if you looked, you would find that the Rothschild's are major share holders of these corporations, though it may not be found evident on the surface. The Rothschild's own Reuther's and the Associated Press, most of TV news, media.
They, the Rothschild's dictate what news is reported.

Please watch this video, you will learn the truth; www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: nerbot

Unless we, the individuals, each do SOMETHING to resist the corporate world, however small, we are just easy pickings for being controlled.

What do you do?

Campaigning for corporations to stop being seen in the eyes of the law as 'just one person' would be a great start (which corporate lawyers actually arrived at by a perverse manipulation of the African slave laws).


See 2:20

But if you speak out against jews or israel its hate speech and defamation. They take a whole land and it's their rite.

be careful what you say.

What they want is a globalised money system, they are at the level of power where they are able to look at the very mechanics of money itself! They can act like "overlords" and look at the scheme of things, thier leaders are very intelligent, don't get them wrong, they are experts in consumer psychology and they take it for a given, the assumption, that humans are selfish.

What more can I add?

I have a degree in finance and know that the entire money system is based on "model" that was developed with the idea that supply will always follow demand, so, it assumes we are getting exactly what we want, there might be a degree of controlling or promoting demand, however, we are the ones collectively that they are enslaved to, and they know that we are still enslaved to our base emotions, our "carnal desires" and they reflect our attitude with their media, trying to promote our "degenerate" natures, sex, drugs, gluttony, war, vanity, the whole bag.

If you are not enslaved then you are already a free minded and healthy individual, and they cannot control that, whether or not you have a "chip" is irrelevant, if I was implanted it would have no effect on my mind, I am far more developed to be inhibited by such a device.

Can you see that they rub it in our faces? Can you see that they know we are to some degree disgusted with this world, and all they know to do is to follow the money, that is all they have been doing.

What would you prefer, I dare ask, a socialist government, where the government really controls you, like in North Korea where you cannot even have the haircut that you want, having to choose standardised styles? Think about it, we do not want governments to decide what is best for us, and to a small extent our consumer-driven societies are a representation of allowing the populace to behave in the manner that they want.

That's all from me, I'm keen to hear your replies to this.

a reply to: soficrow

Great post. Worthy of further research.