War On Christianity? Of course not..try telling that to Fox though

a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly, he notably did not say, go form a government which will then do those charitable and religiously significant things.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly, he notably did not say, go form a government which will then do those charitable and religiously significant things.

Jesus didn't have a lot to say about governments, did he? Beyond "pay your taxes."

What's your point? Jesus didn't say a lot of things. If I believed in Him, I'd guess that he thought we were given brains and empathy and a sense of right and wrong to allow us to draw conclusions on our own.

Big IF admittedly.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes.

a reply to: Gryphon66

"Render unto Ceasar",comes to mind
He didn't advocate the overthrow of rome.

Okay, so let me see if I have this straight.

There's a war on Christianity? And who is on the other side?

All of the other religions?
Some of the other religions?
Atheists?
Socialists?
Government?
Aliens?
Liberals?
Everybody?

If someone has an issue with one particular thing, does that then become a whole war?

Please define this war. Also please advise as to who started it and when. Thank you.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes.

True believers are able to make just about anything fit the Story, aren't they?

"Land in the wilderness" could also be Amazonia, Australia, etc.

Now, if you listen to the Mormons, you get a more fulsome side of the Story ... but then, they had the benefit of hindsight.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

I find it funny that those who have taken to atheism are so preoccupied with religion. Why should they even care about things they don't believe in and which have hardly affected legislation (their life) for some years now.

It is hard to believe no one called you on that BS yet. Religious freedom laws that will allow businesses to refuse service to others on religious grounds. Measures such as that are going on in many states and it is just the tip of the iceberg. To say religion has hardly affected legislation is completely false and remarkably uninformed for an ATS member.

Why would anyone care about a force that permeates government of the country they live in.

I see that kind of statement all the time it strikes me as idiotic every time. Some of the politicians sound like they are giving sermons instead of political speeches with all the God name drops.

Once the legislatures show they make decisions based off of reason and evidence instead of their religious denomination at that point you will have a point.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am not religious either but, I understood practical christianity to be primarily about personal voluntarism.

a reply to: greencmp

I am no longer Christian, but my understanding was more at the injunction "to strive to love one another."

I admit it's kinda general, and not just a little fruity ... but actually, if you think about it, you can cover quite a few "Dos and Don'ts" with that simple phrase.

Best,

a reply to: Gryphon66

So, can you love someone by paying someone else?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Onslaught2996

There are always anti-christian threads on ATS. Vocal minorities try to antagonize with stunts like the Baphomet statue proposed in Oklahoma for instance or atheist monuments which seems sort of an oxymoron. There is clearly some merit whether it is justified or not is a matter of perspective.

How is that anti-Christian? Wouldn't the statue be pro-Baphomet and the monument pro-atheist? What gives Christians the right to measure everything against their standard?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Sremmos80

Secular doesn't mean anti-religion. I find it funny that those who have taken to atheism are so preoccupied with religion. Why should they even care about things they don't believe in and which have hardly affected legislation (their life) for some years now. Instead it is a war of pettiness over things like someone opening a meeting with a prayer or wearing a cross pin on their jacket and such.

By the same token, why should you care so much about people who don't share your beliefs? Huh?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NihilistSanta

Did I say it was an anti religion nation?
We are seeing more and more religious freedom and some how that is getting turned into a war on christianity.

It is a cycle. The victims become the assailants. Once certain groups have attained freedom they then push for special rights and privileges. To say America is not a Christian nation would be to say that English is not the official language.

Uh.. English is not the official language. The US has no official language.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

So, can you love someone by paying someone else?

Since I'm fairly certain you're not referring to prostitution ...

What do you mean?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Sremmos80

Please define anti-Christian.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta


a reply to: Gryphon66

Why go there at all? People don't think it would be acceptable to mock homosexuals (just using this as an example) and and preach tolerance but something equally as personal and offensive to people is ok? What happened to civility ? Why is religious tolerance only to be shown towards minority religions (when considering the US) and not to all?

Family Guy has portrayed Jesus being a coc aine addict. He has been shown as lying about being a virgin to seduce Lois and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Where is the validity in this? What questions are being asked or observations made? Seems blatantly offensive for the sake of being offensive. These shows are intentionally enticing to children being animation and seek to chip away at their beliefs by belittling them in the crudest fashion possible. I could understand if something thought provoking came about because of it but the above examples are devoid of that.

Why are you so afraid?

a reply to: Gryphon66

May I add that it would be a good idea for Christians to get the stick out of their butts?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

So, can you love someone by paying someone else?

Since I'm fairly certain you're not referring to prostitution ...

What do you mean?

Earlier you said:

Exactly, he notably did not say, go form a government which will then do those charitable and religiously significant things.

Jesus didn't have a lot to say about governments, did he? Beyond "pay your taxes."

What's your point? Jesus didn't say a lot of things. If I believed in Him, I'd guess that he thought we were given brains and empathy and a sense of right and wrong to allow us to draw conclusions on our own.

Big IF admittedly.

I took this to be a defense of socialism, government economic intervention and wealth redistribution.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Gryphon66

So, can you love someone by paying someone else?

Since I'm fairly certain you're not referring to prostitution ...

What do you mean?

Earlier you said:

Exactly, he notably did not say, go form a government which will then do those charitable and religiously significant things.

Jesus didn't have a lot to say about governments, did he? Beyond "pay your taxes."

What's your point? Jesus didn't say a lot of things. If I believed in Him, I'd guess that he thought we were given brains and empathy and a sense of right and wrong to allow us to draw conclusions on our own.

Big IF admittedly.

I took this to be a defense of socialism, government economic intervention and wealth redistribution.

Wow. I'd be afraid to ask how you came to that conclusion--so I won't.

a reply to: Tangerine

You would have to read the whole conversation.