War On Christianity? Of course not..try telling that to Fox though

a reply to: buster2010

If you want to keep out Socialism then by all rights you have to keep out Capitalism as well.

They should all be replaced by mandatory subjects on Kleptocracy and Plutocracy. Bail-in legislation by stealth.

Teach people how to count again. Stop this rape. Then they may storm the gates and drive these cockroaches to extinction .

a reply to: Sremmos80

in a 1? week old thread on ATS, too tired to look it up for you now

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Tangerine

You would have to read the whole conversation.

I have read it. I get the impression that you default to this topic in every conversation.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Since you aren't Christian, (or don't sound like one), you can't even possibly have a clue that Christians are or aren't under attack, although many people who aren't Christian, can see it plain enough.

I can see it, although I would bet Fox news might be embellishing a bit as all news media do. Or ignoring it when it happens like all the rest do.

By not being Christian and making this claim it is a ridiculous notion, you are also attacking.

The recent killing of Christians was just a fluke maybe?

Same as when someone is abused in some way and people tell them it must be something they did to warrant it. That is how it looks when people jump on board and play down these things.

OK, Christians are under attack. What are you going to do about it?

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: buster2010

All forms of socialism seek to make 'public' the resources of a nation, communism specifically seeks to make the world's resources 'public'.

“The Third Way is the fastest way to the Third World” -Václav Klaus

Do you think that it would be better for all the world's resources to be in the hands of a few individuals?

double post

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Gryphon66

No

Yes: vast majority of Christians don't care about what you do in your home.

Yes: most of the Christians I met in oklahoma want govt out of their lives as much as possible.

Yes: your opinion is not a fact.

Edit: a lot of what I read in this thread from "enlightened " people were nothing more than passive aggressive attacks..

... and thank you very much for your opinions!

So, if my opinion says one thing, and yours says another, that's an attack on Christians?

Christians don't care what we do in our homes? That's a direct untruth.

Christians support (or did support) restrictions on marriage equality, right to choose, etc. A lot of the country still has businesses closed on Sunday, or only able to do partial business, because it is the "Lord's day."

So facts, outweigh your opinions.

No one has claimed to be "enlightened" in the thread. Apparently, any thing any Christian doesn't like is "an attack."

a reply to: corsair00

And there are many competing Christian corporations - sometimes you can see more than 2 churches in one block (just like seeing a Burger King and a McDonalds - yeah I just wrote that).

Wow can we set up business in USA? My wife is a contact centre specialist. She could clean up canvassing for neophytes or churning christians.

ACTS 4: 32-35

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
ACTS 4: 32-35

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

I wonder if Mel Gibson would be interested in directing a film with that theme.

So because no one is chopping our heads off ... there is absolutely no bias or prejudice against us in any way?

Riiiiight. By that account there is no real bias against most minority groups who claim there is bias against them. We have very few verifiable hate crimes against them. Certainly not at the level that would justify calling it a war against them.

You don't have to have someone physically attacking you in order to be a victim of prejudice.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

It was fine when the Native People were here minding their own business. Then folks that wanted FREEDOM came and raped the folks that were here. Then when the work got too tiresome/tough they went and imported folks to do their work. Now We can argue that instead of planting cotton these greedy bast ages should have planted cannabis and they'd have gotten all the 'volunteers' they wanted...

Those not remembering the past are doomed to repeat it....

In comes the "Immigration Reform" Who is behind this and why? The same guys that privatized Corrections.. Those they stuck in during the Crack War are just now getting out after 20-25 years and "they" need bodies to fill their jails...

Wake up and Hey Religion™ Pay Your taxes! Because of Your 'want' of even more $$$ You've gone to "fund raising" as opposed to providing "Charity" and now Uncle Suga has to keep Your Serfs fed/housed why We foot the bill... BOO!!!

Edit: You KNOW it is true because it is post #666

a reply to: Gryphon66

No a vocal minority, is funneling money to buy votes...

The majority of Christians are just the same as a majority of Muslims. Folks just want to be left alone to raise their families as they see fit.

Prove to me the majority of Christians support those things... Ill wait because you can't.

a reply to: buster2010

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: buster2010

All forms of socialism seek to make 'public' the resources of a nation, communism specifically seeks to make the world's resources 'public'.

you responded

Do you think that it would be better for all the world's resources to be in the hands of a few individuals?

You are both right.

Communism was a monopolist creation. Hegelian dialectic.

There are "special" communists who deserve more than the agrarian slave. The worlds resources are ever being concentrated by the 1% ers. Laws protecting corporations from being sued or limiting compensation. Whether you're a communist or average western democracy worker you're both being shafted by the same knife.
We put a label on an ideology like communist-capitalist, look for culprits in our neighbourhoods or in some communist/socialits state. And we wage intellectual war on them.

Meanwhile the "leaders of industry and heads of governments" meet at G20 meetings decide on ways to further strangle the noose around our necks, all in the absence of oversight or recording of discussions and plan their next years shenanigans. Whilst protestors are not allowed within exclusion zones, and black balaclava state security forces line up the plebiscite in their snipers sight.

a reply to: Flatfish

Not trying to derail this thread... I just want to correct your statement:

Where were those beliefs when they determined that a black man was only worth 2/3 of a white man?

First of all, it isn't 2/3. It is 3/5.

The idea that they thought slaves were worth 3/5th of a white man is a common misconception.

It is called the Three-Fifths Compromise.

The Three-Fifths Compromise, is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution which reads:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

en.wikipedia.org...

The so-called racist intent of the Constitution is seen by some (many?) in the “three-fifths clause” found in Article I, section 2, clause 3. Contrary to what some historians claim, the “three-fifths clause” is a clear indication that a number of our constitutional founders wanted to end slavery; it is not a statement about personhood. The Northern states did not want to count slaves. The Southern states hoped to include slaves in the population statistics in order to acquire additional representation in Congress to advance their political position.

americanvision.org...

a reply to: Irishhaf

What? It's your claim. You responded with the statement. So you "prove" what most Christians think. I gave evidence on my experience.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Since you aren't Christian, (or don't sound like one), you can't even possibly have a clue that Christians are or aren't under attack, although many people who aren't Christian, can see it plain enough.

I can see it, although I would bet Fox news might be embellishing a bit as all news media do. Or ignoring it when it happens like all the rest do.

By not being Christian and making this claim it is a ridiculous notion, you are also attacking.

The recent killing of Christians was just a fluke maybe?

Same as when someone is abused in some way and people tell them it must be something they did to warrant it. That is how it looks when people jump on board and play down these things.

OK, Christians are under attack. What are you going to do about it?

When it is possible to actually confront the attackers, simply telling the truth about what they are doing, and how they have been deceived if they truly think they are justified for attacking Christians.(If Obama and other leaders would just say this right off, maybe they would actually help stop it).

< That usually is the most anyone can do and it assumes the possibility that the attackers will listen to reason, even though they have already forgone that virtue witnessed by the horrifying acts they have committed against others, and they have psychologically justified it all by how they have interpreted their "religion" to justify what they have done. (But if decent minded world leaders would state these obvious things rather than use the crisis for their own purposes, we might have been seeing these things go away).

So in those these cases it is indeed an uphill battle.

And aside from that, we also see those who have an ego oriented barrier (which the MSM encourages by reinforcing mass conditioning using buzzwords and associated language like adding "right wing" to the word "Christians"), even though millions of left wing liberals are church going Christians themselves but that fact is never mentioned, and so many just aren't willing to see these obvious things staring back at them in the mirror of their conscience.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

I find it funny that those who have taken to atheism are so preoccupied with religion.

Some atheists are also anti-theists. I wish more were.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Since you aren't Christian, (or don't sound like one), you can't even possibly have a clue that Christians are or aren't under attack, although many people who aren't Christian, can see it plain enough.

I can see it, although I would bet Fox news might be embellishing a bit as all news media do. Or ignoring it when it happens like all the rest do.

By not being Christian and making this claim it is a ridiculous notion, you are also attacking.

The recent killing of Christians was just a fluke maybe?

Same as when someone is abused in some way and people tell them it must be something they did to warrant it. That is how it looks when people jump on board and play down these things.

OK, Christians are under attack. What are you going to do about it?

When it is possible to actually confront the attackers, simply telling the truth about what they are doing, and how they have been deceived if they truly think they are justified for attacking Christians.(If Obama and other leaders would just say this right off, maybe they would actually help stop it).

< That usually is the most anyone can do and it assumes the possibility that the attackers will listen to reason, even though they have already forgone that virtue witnessed by the horrifying acts they have committed against others, and they have psychologically justified it all by how they have interpreted their "religion" to justify what they have done. (But if decent minded world leaders would state these obvious things rather than use the crisis for their own purposes, we might have been seeing these things go away).

So in those these cases it is indeed an uphill battle.

And aside from that, we also see those who have an ego oriented barrier (which the MSM encourages by reinforcing mass conditioning using buzzwords and associated language like adding "right wing" to the word "Christians"), even though millions of left wing liberals are church going Christians themselves but that fact is never mentioned, and so many just aren't willing to see these obvious things staring back at them in the mirror of their conscience.

So you'll tell them they've been deceived and set them straight. Yep, that'll work. You've certainly convinced all of us here.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

The founders wanted to avoid a theocracy which is admirable but to deny that the country was founded by Christian settlers and the culture was mostly Christian (and still is) would be denial.

Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.

We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
~Thomas Jefferson

The 'Wall of Separation' is what the founders supported. A 'Christian Nation' is antithetical to that.