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I agree, in Nuclear War there are no winners, only survivors. And yes, Perimeter is certainly a "fail deadly" system. Like the "Dead Man's Switch" on subway trains, if the operator suddenly dies, the system activates. One case it simply stops a train. In the other we all die.
originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
i don't know about fail safe , its more like fail death because if a nuclear war does break out we will all be in danger .
it would take hundreds of years for our planet to recover if ever, hundreds of thousands would die with the fall out
and starvation .
what is the point of fighting a war that no one can win.
lets put all the government people in an arena and let them fight to the death , then shoot the winner .
i think that is the only way we will ever have world peace .
Agreed on there being backups, as you and I mentioned, the are two known sister stations. I'm not trying to get all "doom porn" on ATS, but I do know if I hear UVB-76 go silent, I'll be hella sure to check The Pip and The Squeaky Wheel as well. The voice message that it transmits are actually incredibly rare, only two or three broadcasts from it's discovery until about 2009, when it mysteriously began to transmit more voice messages than usual. Since about 2013 it's been mostly quiet (aside from the usual Buzzer noise.)
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
"Once it goes silent, duck and cover"
Ummm. The OP was interesting but it seems the conclusion may be over-dooming.
With the stakes so high, there are likely 2-3 workable backups. I believe you mentioned it in the OP.
So let's look at the the buzzer sequence. It can't be the "all clear" because it's too easy to spoof (fake). That is, unless the signal is actually modulated with more information. Just a thought. I'm sure the spooks have been all over this signal.
The alpha-numerics are most likely the all clear and specify when to expect the next transmission. I would expect that the frequency of the codes would indicate the response time of the system and probably the threat level. So if you want to doom on something, see if the codes are coming out every hour or every 5 minutes. Then get worried.
originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
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lets put all the government people in an arena and let them fight to the death , then shoot the winner .
i think that is the only way we will ever have world peace .
Wouldn't that be a fitting solution? Gather up all the politicians in the world, put them all in an isolated forest somewhere, and host the first "Political Hunger Games". Winner gets a cake. Then shot.
originally posted by: Guenter
originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
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lets put all the government people in an arena and let them fight to the death , then shoot the winner .
i think that is the only way we will ever have world peace .
That had been suggested in the book/movie "All quiet on the Western Front". For some reason politicians seem to have never embraced that Idea. I wonder why?
I would suggest that since most "western powers" no longer have the draft and as such use a "professional/volunteer military" the only way to go is to NOT sign up. Hopefully by the end of the year Canada's Harper government is gone and then the border should again be open to all deserters as back in the days of the good ol' Vietnam War.
You're right, that was before my time. I do remember sitting on the edge of my seat when I heard UVB-76 go active right after the Crimea annexation. I do listen to 8992 every so often. They operate out of Andrews Air Force Base in the U.S.
originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
This was last march. I don't think you were onboard yet. But it was a good thread.
It was the first I heard of the numbers station.
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I may not have been clear in my OP about Numbers Stations. Yes there are multitudes of stations out there, and 90% (or more) of them have nothing to do with impending nuclear holocaust, you are correct. You seem knowledgeable on the subject, since you mention the ENIGMA designations. Thanks for shedding some light on the topic that I may have missed.
originally posted by: AUSTEOReClassified
There are many more Numbers Stations throughout the world regions, or known as Enigma identifiers. US Embassies in foreign lands and foreign Embassies use them for secure relayed information reasons. Europe does have quite afew of them. South America's aswell. The Middle East (Isreal). Asia also has there Stations too. Australia also used to use a Numbers Station, It was a USB mode Frequency of 15682.0kHz. Code Name EO3 or Cherry Ripe, however has since been deactivated of since 2009. Now Cherry Ripe or E3/E4 is now located in Guam and now operated by MI6. Not all Numbers or listening stations have anything to do with Nuclear dead man insurance policies. They are purely for randomized speech codes for agents/officers in the field & Embassy relays.