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The fact remains many famous people have made statements confirming the existence of UFO's and aliens, if you insist on ignoring that and anything that contradicts your position, it doesn't matter what evidence I present, your mind is closed.
originally posted by: grainofsand
I would be interested in reading any published study you are aware of, or perhaps a report by a veterinary surgeon, which supports your assertion that the mutilations are unlikely to have been carried out by humans.
Until or unless you are able to provide such a source I shall remain unconvinced.
Oh and if you come out with the tired old lines "do your own research" or "I'm not doing your research for you", as I expect you to, I shall assume you have nothing more than access to the same internet search engines as myself, but you are a believer while I remain unconvinced.
originally posted by: noeltrotsky
As usual, another interesting thread devolves into evidence / no evidence arguments. I wonder how many have really looked into Dr. Jacobs work on abductions.
I wonder how many have really looked into Dr. Jacobs work on abductions.
can you name a scientific method that would capture this evidence ?
Can we write it all off as a medical condition? I don't know.
Is that the best you've got? The (disbanded) National Institute for Discovery Science Lol...and in any case the story in your link says nothing about aliens, I remain unconvinced but happy for you to be a believer if that's enough for you to believe.
originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Oh you mean this exhaustive study by the National Institute for Discovery Science?
rense.com...
Found that unknown actors were conducting sampling.
Have you actually read that article? Nowhere in it does any vet suggest mutilations were by aliens or anything else. They say the cuts were surgical precision, big wow there, not.
Or the multiple vets in several of the following investigations...
'http://www.mufon.com/animal-mutilations/missouri-farmer-finds-third-cow-with-bizarrely-mutilated-genitals-and-missing-organsand-she-wont-rule-out-al iens-as-the-culprit'
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Mastronaut
So, you believe that imaginary mathematical particles and mechanisms ARE true AND confirmed. You know what they do have detectors for? PHOTONS. You know photons aren't even particles in the strict sense having no wavefunction?
Maybe you should think about the imaginary things you believe in
Photons are not imaginary, they are confirmed and their properties are fairly well understood. They also have told us a ton about the world and universe we inhabit.
No one has to BELIEVE in photons. You or I can measure them, count them, move them along, etc.
And more to the point, the value of studying photons allow us to learn something new. Other than learning about how impressionable people can be under hypnosis to things like false memory syndrome I fail to see what 40 years of abduction research has taught us.
So perhaps before you profess to know about photons (which you clearly don't) crack open a book. It will make you kinda look informed on the subject. I suspect I know a lot more about UFO research and the history of it than you know about advanced physics or astronomy.
but for an experiment, how could a setup be achieved , obviously no lab would be involved , so some sort of field kit would be needed ... any ideas?
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: game over man
That was a very interesting account.
Can we write it all off as a medical condition? I don't know.
I am certain that everything you described could have been produced by your own mind. I am also certain that the last thing you would want to do is go to an alien researcher and have them "recover" your memories under hypnosis. I wouldn't even consider going to one of them. Its your experience and it is really up to you what to make of it. If you are concerned about medical conditions, talk to your doctor, not the history professor at the local university doing alien research.
In the end you can't prove aliens don't exist
My point being that debunkers claim the phenomenon is actually a number of medical conditions the person is experiencing. I don't have those medical conditions. So I just randomly and spontaneously had these medical conditions suddenly? It's either that, or I had an actual encounter.
Anomalous experiences, such as so-called benign hallucinations, may occur in a person in a state of good mental and physical health, even in the apparent absence of a transient trigger factor such as fatigue, intoxication or sensory deprivation.
It is now widely recognized that hallucinatory experiences are not merely the prerogative of those suffering from mental illness, or normal people in abnormal states, but that they occur spontaneously in a significant proportion of the normal population, when in good health and not undergoing particular stress or other abnormal circumstance.
The evidence for this statement has been accumulating for more than a century. Studies of benign hallucinatory experiences go back to 1886 and the early work of the Society for Psychical Research,[1][2] which suggested approximately 10% of the population had experienced at least one hallucinatory episode in the course of their life. More recent studies have validated these findings; the precise incidence found varies with the nature of the episode and the criteria of ‘hallucination’ adopted, but the basic finding is now well-supported.[3]
Apparitional experiences
A common type of anomalous experience is the apparitional experience, which may be defined as one in which a subject seems to perceive some person or thing that is not physically present. Self-selected samples tend to report a predominance of human figures, but apparitions of animals,[4] and even objects[5] are also reported. Notably, the majority of the human figures reported in such samples are not recognised by the subject, and of those who are, not all are of deceased persons; apparitions of living persons have also been reported
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