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originally posted by: amazing
Great thread...and brings up the most important point, if you firmly don't believe in Abductions. Why are millions of people reporting them and what are the psychological implications of that?
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: amazing
Great thread...and brings up the most important point, if you firmly don't believe in Abductions. Why are millions of people reporting them and what are the psychological implications of that?
Millions of people in America also believe in Angels and Zombies.
1. If the abductions are not happening, then this is the most interesting psychological phenomenon ever encountered – yet no one in psychological academia is willing to study it.
In a recent podcast episode of Skeptiko, Dr David Jacobs is quoted as saying:
"This is not consciousness-raising; this is like consciousness denying. This is consciousness-lowering in a sense. So I don’t have any stake in this. It would be wonderful if it is. I think that John Mack was just dead wrong in his analysis of this. In fact, he tried and tried and tried to ram the abduction phenomenon into his preconceived ideas about consciousness and never could. Most people don’t realize that he gave up. He said, “That’s it. I don’t want to do it anymore,” because it could never conform to his ideas. Two years before he died he stopped doing abduction research altogether, closed up his peer group at Harvard, and told Budd Hopkins that maybe he’d been a little too gullible in this situation of abductions. He could never fit it into what he wanted it to be."
www.skeptiko-forum.com...
I would be interested in reading any published study you are aware of, or perhaps a report by a veterinary surgeon, which supports your assertion that the mutilations are unlikely to have been carried out by humans.
originally posted by: Scdfa
The weight of cattle mutilation investigation falls heavily on an unconventional explanation. But, you may be a true believer.
originally posted by: JackHill
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: amazing
Great thread...and brings up the most important point, if you firmly don't believe in Abductions. Why are millions of people reporting them and what are the psychological implications of that?
Millions of people in America also believe in Angels and Zombies.
People is suffering post traumatic effects, they reach a point when they need to approach a professional to deal with it. Of course you could argue this is all mental, not an external phenomena. But if you take some time into digging on the diverse cases, you will find out several corroborating facts that point to a real, external, physical influence. Heck, this has been covered by people like Jacobs several times. Do we choose to ignore it just... why exactly?
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: amazing
Great thread...and brings up the most important point, if you firmly don't believe in Abductions. Why are millions of people reporting them and what are the psychological implications of that?
Millions of people in America also believe in Angels and Zombies.
originally posted by: JadeStar
The difference here of course is that unlike people who investigate the Higgs Boson (which apparently has been confirmed, guess you missed the news) and Dark Energy, the people who are labelled UFO believers are not merely investigators looking at an unidentified phenomena in an unbiased way.
They usually --believe-- the most logical answer to the UFO phenomena is extraterrestrials flying in structured craft to the tune of generating 5,000 "good" sightings in the US and Canada per year (Richard Dolan's estimate).
They also also have a vested interest and need to believe in that very specific, yet least probable explanation regardless of contrary evidence that's called a "leap of logic".
No one investigating Dark Energy will jump the gun and say Dark Energy is proof of extraterrestrials. No one who looked for the Higgs Boson alleged there was a government coverup which was keeping them from finding it.
See the difference? If you don't then you need to re-examine your logical reasoning skills.
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: amazing
Great thread...and brings up the most important point, if you firmly don't believe in Abductions. Why are millions of people reporting them and what are the psychological implications of that?
Millions of people in America also believe in Angels and Zombies.
But that misses the point. I believe in God, but have never reported a sighting of him. He's never spoken to me.
It's one thing to believe in something and state that you believe it. It's quite another to say that you've had a personal encounter...a physical encounter of some sort. Especially with the climate of ridicule about this subject. If I openly say I believe in abductions or I believe in God, no big deal. But if I openly say, God just spoke to me or I was abducted, then I'm ridiculed and more. It's a weird phenomenon that requires more study, if we're being honest with ourselves and not trying to be funny with Zombie comments.
originally posted by: Argyll
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE
Hmmm.....you tell us that the Government/MSM/PTB all lie to us regarding the UFO/alien phenomenon......then post a load of quotes from members of the Government/MSM/PTB to back up claims of evidence of the UFO/alien phenomenon.
Strange
originally posted by: Argyll
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE
Hmmm.....you tell us that the Government/MSM/PTB all lie to us regarding the UFO/alien phenomenon......then post a load of quotes from members of the Government/MSM/PTB to back up claims of evidence of the UFO/alien phenomenon.
Strange
originally posted by: Mastronaut
So, you believe that imaginary mathematical particles and mechanisms ARE true AND confirmed. You know what they do have detectors for? PHOTONS. You know photons aren't even particles in the strict sense having no wavefunction?
Maybe you should think about the imaginary things you believe in