New Theory: We Live In The Past of a Parallel Universe

originally posted by: rebelv
a reply to: anonentity

Sounds like The Theory of Relativity.

Rebel 5

Yeh maybe, but the kicker is that the Universe exists, it didn't pop into existence from nothing, their would have had to something there for it to be made from. Therefore it had to be there eternally which is just another way of saying its infinite. We might not like it because it doesn't suit our logic. But its our logic which is at fault in trying to describe an infinite thing with finite maths.

If the Universe is infinite then so are we because we are made from the same stuff. Again infinite means infinite.

a reply to: bbracken677

if the universe is expanding, how can it be infinite?

We can't say for certain because we cannot see all of it, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the universe is infinite.

Foolish mortals, erh, scientists.

Everything exists, a multiverse if you will, all possible permutations.

Everything exists, always, at the same time. Our position in this infinity defines our perspective and our limited or not so limited perception of reality, the grand illusion.

The past is extant and so is the future.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

And you know this how?

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Foolish mortals, erh, scientists.



Everything exists, a multiverse if you will, all possible permutations.



Everything exists, always, at the same time. Our position in this infinity defines our perspective and our limited or not so limited perception of reality, the grand illusion.



The past is extant and so is the future.

Well said!

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

That sums the ground rules up perfectly. A beautiful definition!

The "Grand illusion" works because our consciousness, is plugged into it, as we also it and its creation. Its a great mind which we have access to. An infinite extension to our own mind. In every infinite state of consciousness that we can think of. It holds all the data of the Universe, where we can create anything we can think of. We are a part of the Universe that has become self aware. Probably in this realm of infinite probabilities the Universe is also self aware. Because that is also one of the infinite possibilities. The key to the door seems to be expanding personal consciousness, to become more aware.

This realisation can have astounding consequences, as it can define what we call waking reality, as a state than can have a significant data input ramp up, to the point where a UFO. can be touched. Commented upon, etc. until the general paradigm of consensual reality is invoked to deny this happened, along with miracles, and all the other things that don't fit the agreed paradigm of what reality should be. Food for thought.

a reply to: bbracken677
Oh totally agree. I wasn't aware that this argument was
still going on whether the universe is infinite or finite. I had
thought this argument was resolved when they discovered
neutrinos have mass.

Great post.

Rebel 5

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: rebelv
a reply to: anonentity

Sounds like The Theory of Relativity.

Rebel 5

Yeh maybe, but the kicker is that the Universe exists, it didn't pop into existence from nothing, their would have had to something there for it to be made from. Therefore it had to be there eternally which is just another way of saying its infinite. We might not like it because it doesn't suit our logic. But its our logic which is at fault in trying to describe an infinite thing with finite maths.

If the Universe is infinite then so are we because we are made from the same stuff. Again infinite means infinite.

Yes, I get what you are saying and in a spiritual/philosophical sense,
I believe that is correct.

Rebel 5

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: rebelv
a reply to: Korg Trinity

That is about what I learned in college, a different kind
of model to explain the same idea.

Of course, the "center" of the universe would be located
in the middle of this big bubble, and actually exists in the
very distant past (the theoretical Big Bang) billions of years
ago.

So, time could be defined as the increasing size of the universe.

Great post

Rebel 5

Their would be no middle in an infinite system. It couldn't increase in size, because its already infinite. All definitions and observations would be relative to the observer. Sound familiar?

Also Correct.

Korg.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: rebelv
a reply to: Korg Trinity

That is about what I learned in college, a different kind
of model to explain the same idea.

Of course, the "center" of the universe would be located
in the middle of this big bubble, and actually exists in the
very distant past (the theoretical Big Bang) billions of years
ago.

So, time could be defined as the increasing size of the universe.

Great post

Rebel 5

Their would be no middle in an infinite system. It couldn't increase in size, because its already infinite. All definitions and observations would be relative to the observer. Sound familiar?

Also Correct.

Korg.

I thang you!

Seriously if this foundation is extrapolated, then it must come to pass that in the brain/mind divide. Then our minds seem to have the same characteristics as a Universe with infinite possibilities. We can skip time, imagine multiple scenarios. Go astral etc.in fact anything that can be dreamed up. Which begs the question, in creative meditative states of concentration (Concentrated consciousness) and sleep, are we accessing data, from infinite sources. Just because it hasn't a useful day to day purpose does it make it any less significant. Because the day to day, seems irrelevant compared to this. Then when it has a useful day to day purpose, it would probably be undermined because it doesn't fit the paradigm of consensual reality, which if you didn't keep your mouth shut , you might be looking like a security risk.

Its fairly obvious the consensus would call this harmless fantasising, but E=MC/2 came when the man was dreaming in the bath.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



That sums the ground rules up perfectly. A beautiful definition!



The "Grand illusion" works because our consciousness, is plugged into it, as we also it and its creation. Its a great mind which we have access to. An infinite extension to our own mind. In every infinite state of consciousness that we can think of. It holds all the data of the Universe, where we can create anything we can think of. We are a part of the Universe that has become self aware. Probably in this realm of infinite probabilities the Universe is also self aware. Because that is also one of the infinite possibilities. The key to the door seems to be expanding personal consciousness, to become more aware.



This realisation can have astounding consequences, as it can define what we call waking reality, as a state than can have a significant data input ramp up, to the point where a UFO. can be touched. Commented upon, etc. until the general paradigm of consensual reality is invoked to deny this happened, along with miracles, and all the other things that don't fit the agreed paradigm of what reality should be. Food for thought.

Evidence of this can be seen in our dreams we create the entire universe then look at it from our point of view.
In fact we do the same thing while awake recreating the entire unverse in our minds just to play our part in it.

a reply to: Astyanax

Because your ancestors taught me well.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



That sums the ground rules up perfectly. A beautiful definition!



The "Grand illusion" works because our consciousness, is plugged into it, as we also it and its creation. Its a great mind which we have access to. An infinite extension to our own mind. In every infinite state of consciousness that we can think of. It holds all the data of the Universe, where we can create anything we can think of. We are a part of the Universe that has become self aware. Probably in this realm of infinite probabilities the Universe is also self aware. Because that is also one of the infinite possibilities. The key to the door seems to be expanding personal consciousness, to become more aware.



This realisation can have astounding consequences, as it can define what we call waking reality, as a state than can have a significant data input ramp up, to the point where a UFO. can be touched. Commented upon, etc. until the general paradigm of consensual reality is invoked to deny this happened, along with miracles, and all the other things that don't fit the agreed paradigm of what reality should be. Food for thought.

.vidence of this can be seen in our dreams we create the entire universe then look at it from our point of view.
In fact we do the same thing while awake recreating the entire unverse in our minds just to play our part in it.

I'm tending to the idea that "Life" is just one type of waking dream. The reality we observe is generated from not only us, but all the others that we exist with. Mostly from what we expect to see. The cooperative reality, would have glitches if this were the fact. Which it seems to have, and the glitches or intrusions, are via the anomalies. Reported in this forum and many others. The lack of hard evidence, and the fact that many if not all contain, the fashionable mores of the day tend to suggest that most of the intrusions remain as softer illusions, than the reality we exist in. but in some instances they have a fully sensual experience.

It would be very hard to pin this down to the individual consciousness that caused the intrusion, or "Dream leak" .As the intrusion would have to be observed by a person that was predisposed to the point of not dismissing it as a figment of the imagination, which is after all the reality, the question being, how real can an imagined figment be. This seems to be supported when a number of like minded individuals go Ghost hunting , UFO observing, etc. As reality would have a new local consensus, of what is possible.

This would be the fact, if the type of Universe we have been discussing was the case. As we have a technical reality, which requires infra structure and precision, along with a good basic education system to work it, our minds are full with the tools needed to navigate this space. Where in a less technically developed society, as in our past society, the cause of the anomaly would be identified as a Witch, and the cleansing of reality would go into overdrive. The cleansing and reaffirmation of said intrusion would be finished off in a Church where consensual reality would be reaffirmed. But not without some concern, as one wouldn't necessary wander the graveyard at night etc.

Just think of infinate versions of the universe, we are only seeing one version of an infinate number.

Its been stareing in your faces all along ,
Your not just a reflection..lmage of your twin he or she is you

you can share thoughts
Thats what happens dureing da ja vue

originally posted by: ecossiepossie


Its been stareing in your faces all along ,

Your not just a reflection..lmage of your twin he or she is you



you can share thoughts

Thats what happens dureing da ja vue

It would be cool if we were able to string dimentional worlds together to allow for interaction between various forms of ourselves.

Very interesting! Perhaps it is entropy that somehow defines certain parameters about time? As someone said earlier, maybe it defines our subjective perception?

I love these kind of topics. They really make you think of how intricate a system like time must really be.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: freedomSlave
I have thought for a long time that the past ,present , future are happening all at the same time

There was one theorist who gave the analogy that likened time to a fully-developed, yet static, landscape -- and what we perceive as the passage of time is simply us moving through and experiencing that landscape.

So using that analogy, time is all "happening" at the same time -- or at least everything that has happened in the past and will happen in the future is already written upon that landscape through which we are moving.

This a necessity for Einsteins theory of relativity to work time is an illusion. And the past and present is available and distance is the key.

I would imagine that such a universe would eventually return to a singularity, making all things oneness again.