Pregnant Woman Perfectly Tells Off Anti-Abortion Protestors

a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

And yes, I am currently in talks with my wife about adoption (we have 3 biological children) so we may very well take in one of those children were abortion illegal.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

And yes, I am currently in talks with my wife about adoption (we have 3 biological children) so we may very well take in one of those children were abortion illegal.

Adopting one child does not save the over 510,000 children in foster care. Try again.
www.fosterclub.com...

There are about 1.5 million couples trying to adopt a child every year in America.
There are 1.5 million abortions each year in America.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

Ok sub-standard living becomes a drain on social programs. The mother needs to access things like SNAP to feed her children. I hope you are ok with social programs, especially with more bodies putting a drain on it.

By the way, you are fooling yourself if you don't think the number of children given up to adoption won't increase if abortion is made illegal. If a mother was willing to get an abortion, do you think she will care to give it up for the state/another family to take care of?

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

So what you're saying is that you agree I shouldn't have to take care of those who try to rob casino's after losing a bet. but rather than admit that, you're pretending there's no equivalence when there is a direct equivalence.

One party took a risk, willingly, and lost. Then tried to undo the consequences of their loss. And because I think it should be illegal to take certain actions (murder or theft in my examples) to undo those consequences I should have to provide for them, according to you. The only thing ridiculous here, is your position.

originally posted by: recapitulated
There are about 1.5 million couples trying to adopt a child every year in America.
There are 1.5 million abortions each year in America.

You got sources for those statistics?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If a mother was willing to get an abortion, do you think she will care to give it up for the state/another family to take care of? "

My sister gave a baby up for adoption, and had she not already agreed to it prior to the birth, she wouldn't have done it. She would have kept the baby (she now has 4 more children) Anecdotal evidence for sure, but it's my only personal experience. And since we're speculating, I can speculate however I see fit.

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

And yes, I am currently in talks with my wife about adoption (we have 3 biological children) so we may very well take in one of those children were abortion illegal.

Adopting one child does not save the over 510,000 children in foster care. Try again.
www.fosterclub.com...

I was asked if I would take in one of those children. I posted my response. Nothing to "try again". Sorry.

Let me make my position clear: I would rather be a foster child than dead.

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originally posted by: recapitulated
There are about 1.5 million couples trying to adopt a child every year in America.
There are 1.5 million abortions each year in America.

In 2001, there were 1.5 million adoptions in the U.S.
That accounts for 2.5% of all children in the U.S.

It's also important to remember that foriegn children are more popular than American children. South Korea has placed 100,000 kids in the U.S. since 1958. 70,000 for China. It also costs 20,000 to 25,000 to adopt from China. Meaning people would much rather save those children than save children here. www.pbs.org...

Just sayin'.

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

So what you're saying is that you agree I shouldn't have to take care of those who try to rob casino's after losing a bet. but rather than admit that, you're pretending there's no equivalence when there is a direct equivalence.

One party took a risk, willingly, and lost. Then tried to undo the consequences of their loss. And because I think it should be illegal to take certain actions (murder or theft in my examples) to undo those consequences I should have to provide for them, according to you. The only thing ridiculous here, is your position.

No. I'm deciding to say nicely that you need to find better comparisons because as of right now, I wish you would abort your comparisons. Do not put words in my mouth.

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

And yes, I am currently in talks with my wife about adoption (we have 3 biological children) so we may very well take in one of those children were abortion illegal.

Adopting one child does not save the over 510,000 children in foster care. Try again.
www.fosterclub.com...

I was asked if I would take in one of those children. I posted my response. Nothing to "try again". Sorry.

Let me make my position clear: I would rather be a foster child than dead.

One child does not save the 510,000 children in foster care. Do you intend to support all of them?
Also, a clump of cells cannot make that decision.

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

So what you're saying is that you agree I shouldn't have to take care of those who try to rob casino's after losing a bet. but rather than admit that, you're pretending there's no equivalence when there is a direct equivalence.

One party took a risk, willingly, and lost. Then tried to undo the consequences of their loss. And because I think it should be illegal to take certain actions (murder or theft in my examples) to undo those consequences I should have to provide for them, according to you. The only thing ridiculous here, is your position.

No. I'm deciding to say nicely that you need to find better comparisons because as of right now, I wish you would abort your comparisons. Do not put words in my mouth.

I bet you wish I would abort my comparisons, and probably my explanation that you conveniently ignored. They make positions like yours look moronic.

If you think my comparison is lacking, feel free to fill in the gaps.

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

So what you're saying is that you agree I shouldn't have to take care of those who try to rob casino's after losing a bet. but rather than admit that, you're pretending there's no equivalence when there is a direct equivalence.

One party took a risk, willingly, and lost. Then tried to undo the consequences of their loss. And because I think it should be illegal to take certain actions (murder or theft in my examples) to undo those consequences I should have to provide for them, according to you. The only thing ridiculous here, is your position.

No. I'm deciding to say nicely that you need to find better comparisons because as of right now, I wish you would abort your comparisons. Do not put words in my mouth.

I bet you wish I would abort my comparisons, and probably my explanation that you conveniently ignored. They make positions like yours look moronic.

If you think my comparison is lacking, feel free to fill in the gaps.

We've all told you to find better comparisons because you cannot compare robbing a casino, to aborting a parasitic clump of cells. You've been told numerous times you've been grasping at straws. We've reached for statistics to explain our positions, we've tried to explain this to you numerous different ways. You do not get it, and it's obvious you do not wish to get it. It's fine though, adopt your one child. There will still be abortions, and there will still be homeless children. Sad.

a reply to: Dfairlite

What does that have to do with a mother that is already willing to get an abortion not being able to because of the law? If you want to pair up anecdotes (terrible source of evidence anyways), at least make the scenario fit...

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"If we make abortion illegal, do you think that number will go down or up? Are you willing to take one of those children in if you make abortion illegal? "

What number? The number of foster children? IDK. My guess is that it would stay about the same. The number of children living in sub-standard circumstances would probably increase. But I'd rather be alive, in sub-standard circumstances than killed by my own mother.

And yes, I am currently in talks with my wife about adoption (we have 3 biological children) so we may very well take in one of those children were abortion illegal.

Adopting one child does not save the over 510,000 children in foster care. Try again.
www.fosterclub.com...

I was asked if I would take in one of those children. I posted my response. Nothing to "try again". Sorry.

Let me make my position clear: I would rather be a foster child than dead.

One child does not save the 510,000 children in foster care. Do you intend to support all of them?
Also, a clump of cells cannot make that decision.

As a clump of cells (albeit a large clump) I just made that decision. What is your obsession with foster care? You think it will increase if abortion is illegal, therefore I must take in 510,000 children in order to be consistent? If that's your standing for this digression then wow.... Does the current amount of human suffering have to get below a certain threshold for you to view murder as wrong?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite

What does that have to do with a mother that is already willing to get an abortion not being able to because of the law? If you want to pair up anecdotes (terrible source of evidence anyways), at least make the scenario fit...

I'm not sure what you're referencing here. Which of my comments?

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"Honestly, if you want to make abortion illegal, than let's make it so YOU have to take care of all the mothers that live through botched back alley abortions. Lets make it so YOU have to take care of all the unwanted children. Can you handle it? I hope so."

I also want it to be illegal to rob casino's after you lose a bet. Should I also take care of those people who lost their bets and tried to rob the casino anyway? Do you see how absurd your idea is?

Do you see how absurd your comparisons are? No seriously, they make no sense, and you've been told that numerous times.

So what you're saying is that you agree I shouldn't have to take care of those who try to rob casino's after losing a bet. but rather than admit that, you're pretending there's no equivalence when there is a direct equivalence.

One party took a risk, willingly, and lost. Then tried to undo the consequences of their loss. And because I think it should be illegal to take certain actions (murder or theft in my examples) to undo those consequences I should have to provide for them, according to you. The only thing ridiculous here, is your position.

No. I'm deciding to say nicely that you need to find better comparisons because as of right now, I wish you would abort your comparisons. Do not put words in my mouth.

I bet you wish I would abort my comparisons, and probably my explanation that you conveniently ignored. They make positions like yours look moronic.

If you think my comparison is lacking, feel free to fill in the gaps.

We've all told you to find better comparisons because you cannot compare robbing a casino, to aborting a parasitic clump of cells. You've been told numerous times you've been grasping at straws. We've reached for statistics to explain our positions, we've tried to explain this to you numerous different ways. You do not get it, and it's obvious you do not wish to get it. It's fine though, adopt your one child. There will still be abortions, and there will still be homeless children. Sad.

Why can't I compare two situations in which both parties willingly took a risk and took action to recuperate their losses? What is not equivalent about those things? The truth is, you know they're the same and you agree with one but not with the other. The discomfort caused by your cognitive dissonance has caused you to reject them as not equal yet you lack the ability to explain how they're not equal situations.