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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jchristopher5
No, I said this
"Name ONE steel framed building that had suffered heavy damage and burned that DID NOT collapse."
You keep forgetting that all three of those buildings were heavily damaged, THEN they burned, THEN they collapsed. Still waiting for an example of a building that has suffered that kind of heavy damage, burned and did not fall.
originally posted by: lambros56
Can you explain why those buildings came down so fast ( less than two seconds per floor ) ?
Can you explain why the majority of the building turned to dust...to a fine powder ?
Not just the concrete but the whole contents of the buildings.
I doubt you can.....
originally posted by: SyxPak
a reply to: lexyghot
If You are Trying to back up the Official Story, (Fantasy Story at that) Then why did it fall in like 10 seconds? Let's say You are right. I would think that it would take at least One Second for each floor to drop, smash into the one below it, and continue the process to the ground. Then that being said, there were what, 100 floors in the trade center bldgs? !00 seconds is WAY longer that it took to drop those buildings. Even given One HALF second each, there is 50, seconds, NOT 10. ONE Quarter second each, would result in a 25 second drop, NOT ten!
SO That blows the O.S. right out the Friggin window from what I can see......
Then You have The JetLiner that freakin dissappeared into the ground in Penn? I mean Really!??!? WTF'n Hell is that all about. I mean C'Mon, give Me a break and give it a rest....... You seem intelligent enough to see the real picture. Just open Your eyes a little more and see what really happened. ( I hope at least You didn't buy the story of how they found that passport, on the Freakin ground intact?! After it just went through a huge fire??) REALLY?!?!?! WOW!! Just WOW!!!......
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
but not the entire core (which contained elevator shafts made of very solid concrete for safety reasons
originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
Yet another thread making the same claims as a dozen's of other threads on here about the same subject, as for your concrete dust, 4 and a half inches of concrete some of it falling a 1000+ft and being impacted by other falling concrete and thousands of tons of steel do you really think it will survive?
The buildings did survive the initial plane impacts even although it was never CONSIDERED they would be rammed at high speed with a full fuel load !
As for looking like a demolition job how could anyone know what this event would look like as it had never happened before.
Now section 4, the buildings NEVER repeat NEVER fell just due to fire alone did they that statement is as bad as creationist when they say man is descended from apes when evolution never claims that
Now section 4, the buildings NEVER repeat NEVER fell just due to fire alone did they that statement is as bad as creationist when they say man is descended from apes when evolution never claims that
originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: ForteanOrg. You should read the investigation of the Windsor fire. The section that collapsed was steel. The section that did not collapse had concrete reinforcement. The investigation credits the concrete transfer slab with arresting the collapse. Then, you mention the ESB, which is comparing apples to zebras. It is in no way a comparable event.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: stosh64
According to you the construction was woven together in such a manner that neither component would be able to stand on its own. So, when they build the core according to you they HAD to put floors and exoskeleton in place, or else the core would have collapsed. Is that correct?
I still can't understand how this is supposed to work, though. Plane crashes into the building - building is damaged but not fatally, as it stood for still roughly an hour. Fire rages. Steel is heated.
Fire cools down, smoldering. Black smoke.
Steel is weakenend but still supports the building which is still standing.
Then "something" happens:
a floor caves in. I don't know which one, but it seems to make sense it is one of the floors ABOVE the point where the plane hit. That floor crashes down and the floor below it is too weak to stop it and breaks down too. Okay so far?
Now, how come the central core caves in?
I can't understand it: if the trusses are merely bolted to the exoskeleton and the core,
you'd expect these bolts to rip.
but not the entire core (which contained elevator shafts made of very solid concrete for safety reasons, I may hope)?
How do relatively light floors (they were made of 10 cm thick plates of concrete) that fall down say 5 meters break away the central core they are attached to by bolts? I can't picture it.
But even so: if that is what happened, how come the entire construction was demolished that fast? I mean: breaking down a core with 46 steel beams, elevators etc. costs energy - where did that energy come from?
You haven't convinced me yet. I like the way you oppose the conspiracy theories - but your theory sounds almost as strange as the "controlled demolition / inside job" explanation.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Also if you keep narrowing down the selection criteria,
But the point was that steel buildings can survive much longer lasting fires for a much longer period of time than a mere 1-2 hours. Even damaged buildings.
So, it's highly infeasible that the limited amounts of energy that came from the remaining fuel - most of it shot through and exploded OUTSIDE the Towers - created such heavy damage that the entire building could collapse. But it did.