Legislation Would Make ‘Rape By Fraud’ A Crime

"She told me she was a virgin...."

"She told me the divorce was final"

"He said he'd respect me in the morning"

"He said I was hot."

"He said he was a movie producer--asked if I wanted to be in a movie."

"He told me he was a stunt-double in the porn industry"

What degree of lie does it take to qualify as fraud? Is it merely that the speech "contributed" to getting you bedward? Because then ANY lie cold arguably be the deal-clincher. What about the ultimate lie:


"I love You."


"Actually, the part about Phallumegally was true." -Lorenzo Von Matterhorn.

a reply to: silo13

Absolutely mental.

They are seriously proposing this crap?

Lying in a personal relationship is now somehow rape by fraud?

Shouldn't those who engage in consensual sexual activity, if they are so concerned about being lied to by their prospective sexual partners, simply keep their knickers on until they at least know a bit about the person they might have sex with?

I mean...this is absolutely ridiculous! These people are supposedly grown, mature adults aren't they, if they can't keep their underwear on long enough to check someone out, they deserve all they get.

I propose 20 - 30 years in prison for any public servant or politician who rapes the public by lying..bailouts, wars in the Middle east, arms to drug lords, and thousands of other public rapes at the hands of those we allow to run our countries for us.

Doubt this idea would catch on very quickly then would it!

What the hell next...a firing squad if you forget your old Mums birthday card!

What a creepy proposal

This is absolutely outrageous. Feminist groups and those against rape should be outraged.

Someone sleeps with a guy because he says he has a house in the hamptons, turns out he doesn't. That's rape? Are you kidding?

This is absolutely disgusting, it's a slap in the face to actual rape victims out there. Would you go up to a rape victim and say "I know what you are going through, one time this girl told me she was a virgin but she wasn't, I was raped that night just like you"

Just like making the word "racist" mean absolutely nothing, they are making the word "rape" mean nothing. This is sick, this is not the action of a logical mind, this is the action of someone with a serious agenda or a serious mental illness.

Sure, no anti-men agenda going on at all. Can anyone truly say that with a straight face? Where are our resident feminists here to tell us how this will only apply to men, not women, because obviously women can't rape (even when a simple lie constitutes rape)

originally posted by: silo13


Everything sounded great until getting to the 10-20 years in prison part. Then again - do the crime do the time? Well, that's still a bit harsh though on the other hand I'm not at all against - in fact I'm for some type of 'punishment' for those who lie about themselves in order to 'get a piece' - or even worse to enter into a long term relationship based on a sack a lies.

peace

What a disgusting point of view. Lying lovers is NOT the business of the state. It is YOUR business. It is YOUR responsibility to check people out who you plan to sleep with.

How about we start locking women up who use men for money? Seriously. Being a gold-digger is a prime example of lying about what/who you are in order to get with someone. If a man is stupid enough to hook up with a gold digger, he deserves what he gets. If a woman gets lied to and spreads her legs she deserves what she gets.

Totally disgusting. You put people in jail because they are a danger to society. We already have laws covering people knowingly spreading AIDS, etc someone who lies to hook up with someone is not a danger to society and you are NOT entitled to use the powers of the state to play your little power trip games and to punish your ex-lovers.

Grow up, seriously. You're not 12 anymore. You can't call teacher or mommy and daddy every time someone lies to you or misrepresents themselves. Take some responsibility for yourself. If someone forces themselves on someone else, that's a horrible despicable act and the person should be removed from society and punished severely. Lying about your wealth or education is NOT equivalent in ANY way shape or form to rape.

a reply to: James1982

I agree. As a woman, I think this cheapens the REAL, VIOLENT crime.

In worst case scenarios, make it fraud, if anything, but not rape. Geez.

originally posted by: AshleyD
a reply to: James1982

I agree. I think this cheapens the REAL, VIOLENT crime.

Totally agree.

In worst case scenarios, make it fraud, if anything....

Why? People have been lying to get into each others pants for millenia. Trudeau said almost 50 years ago, "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the people." I totally agree with that too.

loved some of the comments from the article. some gems

so wait how will this effect fake boobs they are lies right? and any one with plastic surgery isn't that "deceiving" people to get them to sleep with you?

what about bras or the good old fashioned cod piece both make things appear larger and or more firm then they could appear otherwise is that a lie?

what about the single mom who picks up the guy while the sitter is watching her kids and then he discovers she has them,she didnt tell him and he found out is that a lie by omission? same goes for the single dad i guess

what if what you tell is true to you but not to others? i mean a guy can claim hes the best in bed she will ever have but what if hes not and just THINKS that way?what if a man tells a potential partner he has no children but later its found out that he had gotten a woman pregnant and she didnt tell him is that now rape by deceit because he did not know??

what if a man tells her its a diamond but its cubic zarconia is that grounds for rape by deceit? if a man or woman lies about how many people they have had relations with is that now a crime? what about if you asked your partner if they cheated on you and asked them where they were and they lied and were sleeping with some one else and because of this lie you continue to sleep with them is that now rape?

who defines what a lie is in this case as some (not all mind you) things are definitely up for interpretation

this law is madness and will never pass for all the examples listed in this threat and well common logic im sure some one far smarter then me can put it more eloquently and have it make more sense but i found this to be clown shoes level foolish as far as legislation goes and that is saying something

I guess they have been talking to Arizona and the law about self molestation is a crime.

a reply to: intrepid

In worst case scenarios, make it fraud, if anything

I agree with you in that it shouldn't be prosecuted at all (I guess unless it's some totally off-the-wall worst-case scenario). But if anything labeling it as fraud would make more sense than labeling it rape.

a reply to: silo13

James Bond would have several hundred counts of "rape by fraud".

If this legislation passes, here is how I predict future sexual encounters will occur:

Someone approaches me. He says;

"Greetings, I am approaching you with intent to copulate. I have brought my lawyer with me, who will provide my financial records, medical history, family history, and vaccination charts. Please have your lawyer look over these documents and authenticate them. Here are photos of me, untouched, from age 2 through today, so that you may know what I physically look like. I have taken the liberty of bringing a notary, please sign this agreement which states that you have reviewed these documents and are copulating with me of your own free will. If you do not intend to copulate, please initial here, and here, and sign here, stating that I have not approached you threateningly or engaged in "stare rape" of any kind. Thank, and have a wonderful evening."


God, that sounds boring.

This remind me of

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: silo13


This is the worst kind of legislation. Relationship goes south, woman are vindictive, turns former boyfriend into the cops for saying he loves dogs. Guy goes to prison for 10 years. Good thinking if you are a complete moron.

originally posted by: th3dudeabides
This is the worst kind of legislation. Relationship goes south, woman are vindictive, turns former boyfriend into the cops for saying he loves dogs. Guy goes to prison for 10 years. Good thinking if you are a complete moron.

Actually, could men, file charges against women en mass, preemptively reducing this laws overall effect? Men all over the state should be filing bogus claims against ex-wives and ex-girlfriends, to build up a back log of ridiculous precedents. Some brave men could save a lot of other men grief in the future, by going to court once the law is passed, with a large number of bogus claims of rape. They could cover all the bases and submit the whole range of charges that will typically be filed by a woman. No court is going to find a single woman guilty, so there is really no threat of incarceration of a bogus rape claim from a man. They could effectively neuter the law before someone innocent goes to jail. If only some law firm would step up and implement such a strategy pro-Bono.

I'm having more fun with the responses in this thread than I have in a long time. Great stuff! Keep it up - there's some great content here.

For STD's, lies about marriage, maybe a couple others - sure - there would be great to have a law - though I would think fraud would be enough. Rape? You're right - it's an insult to those who've been victims of 'real' rape. Teach me to post too early in the morning.

As for keeping the government out of your bedroom? Oh please. Really? Think about that. Think about how ludicrous that statement really is. Like government isn't right there in bed with us each and every night anyway!

peace

originally posted by: silo13
As for keeping the government out of your bedroom? Oh please. Really? Think about that. Think about how ludicrous that statement really is. Like government isn't right there in bed with us each and every night anyway!

I keep the government out of my bedroom...I leave my wallet on the kitchen counter.

originally posted by: silo13
As for keeping the government out of your bedroom? Oh please. Really? Think about that. Think about how ludicrous that statement really is. Like government isn't right there in bed with us each and every night anyway!

peace

Me and Al Gore need to have a talk. If he's in YOUR bedroom too that means he's cheating on ME.
And I thought I was special.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

*Bust out Laughing* The dog that he is huh!

Anyway - back to government being in our bedrooms. The problem is I could bring up tons of examples but I don't want to toss this subject off topic. (Marriage, same sex or no, age of consent, what is rules permissible and non in the sex act)...(see what I mean)...

peace

When has alleviating responsibility ever worked for anything?