Voting machines changing Republican vote to Democrat vote in Virginia...

originally posted by: largo
a reply to: SkepticOverlord
In Hillsborough County (Tampa) Florida I asked for a copy of my ballot submission. It's a big paper ballot that is read by OCR.
They told me it was not possible.
Now ask me, do I trust these organizations to properly register my votes?

I know right, who cares about how we vote. They record that you did vote and hand you a receipt before you fill out the ballot but not who you voted for and we are not allowed to have a record of it. That just proves its all a scam. If the receipt confirmed who the vote was cast for then we would know how the computer recorded it.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

The Democrats have done this a 99 percent more than any republicans.

Do you have proof of this? I doubt it. If you did, it would be a gold mine as the media would jump all over this.

So you must be talking out of your backside, correct?

Republicans took the house and senate as predicted. Voting machines are manipulated by both sides. First election I was old enough to vote in was Bush vs Gore.... watching tiny chads be counted and reports of vote flipping from both parties, people being pushed out of voter rolls.

Regardless I still vote, because people fought and died for the right to do so. Stories like this discourage people and make them think voting is pointless. Its still important to get out there and take the action of voting.

a reply to: whoreallyknows

If i were a dead soldier, i would feel totally disrespected that i fought and died for what we call voting.

Real great way to use, or lose, my life. So people can cast a ballot that may or may not be counted for the person they wanted to vote for. Let's not forget the wide range of absolutely upstanding candidates you have to choose from.

It's like getting to pick what terminal disease you'll be stricken with. How glorious.

I truly do not see why anyone votes anymore. How you could waste a moment of your life to officially say that you back sellout A or B.

A strategically placed scratch on the screen will cause the cursor to jump to a different field the user intends. A typical problem with abused slot machines in the casino biz.

Where there's a will there's a way.

a reply to: tavi45

Or, we could demand that both sides quit doing it, and have penalties if they don't (like a DOJ willing to investigate and prosecute).

Not getting worked up over these types of things is an enabling approach to the situation, not a fix to the problem. It's apathy, and that's what's wrong with the general public already. It needs fixed, not passively accepted.

originally posted by: Bundy
a reply to: whoreallyknows
If i were a dead soldier, i would feel totally disrespected that i fought and died for what we call voting.

Real great way to use, or lose, my life. So people can cast a ballot that may or may not be counted for the person they wanted to vote for. Let's not forget the wide range of absolutely upstanding candidates you have to choose from.

It's like getting to pick what terminal disease you'll be stricken with. How glorious.

I truly do not see why anyone votes anymore. How you could waste a moment of your life to officially say that you back sellout A or B.

I'm a living veteran and feel totally disrespected at the fraud, problems, and manipulation of the voting process here in America (and the passive reactions by the DOJ and those in a position of power to do something about it). Maybe that's why I'm a bit more sickened by the loopholes that allow fraud to happen than the average American who just seems to think it's okay to vote without proving who you are, calling it a polling tax or disenfranchisement. These people are ignorant, apathetic people who are a major part of the problem.

As for your last comment, you can't complain about disrespect and then say you don't exercise your right that said dead-soldier example died to keep a right for you. Not voting is as much a disrespectful action as defrauding the vote, imo. You don't always have to vote for one of the two evils--even if your vote doesn't win, your message was sent that you don't approve of either major party. This system is always slow to change and evolve, but eventually it will if you keep trying. Refusing to try gets nothing accomplished, and then whining about the system after you don't try is just as constructive.

Vote, then complain, then try to accomplish change--otherwise, it's just apathetic whining.

Not sure were the idea of flat screens not needing calibration is coming from, but it's simply not true.

www.superlogics.com...
downloads01.smarttech.com...
www.automationdirect.com...
sine.ni.com...
www.planar.com...

Five random models of flat screens that all have calibration needs and instructions in their operating software.

originally posted by: lordcomac
All screens can (and most need to) be calibrated, not just CRT.

www.youtube.com...


Having said that, its probably not a calibration issue.... but theoretically could be.


Still not sure why the things dont have physical buttons like an ATM does.

Even if it was not calibrated, it wouldn't be off THAT much.

Whether the screens were calibrated or not; whether this was accidental or intentional, the purveyors of (and those approving) these voting machines are absolutely responsible for the errors. It may have been an internal problem or a glitch, but either way, the spotlight should be shone on the company that deals out these machines, as well as the project manager who approved of their method and hired them. A healthy dose of extensive probation is needed. I mean, this is such a glaring flaw... how could NOBODY have caught that?

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: lordcomac
All screens can (and most need to) be calibrated, not just CRT.

www.youtube.com...


Having said that, its probably not a calibration issue.... but theoretically could be.


Still not sure why the things dont have physical buttons like an ATM does.

Even if it was not calibrated, it wouldn't be off THAT much.

Actually, there are links to sources already in this thread that show that if not properly calibrated, what happened in the OP's video can and does occur.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: lordcomac
All screens can (and most need to) be calibrated, not just CRT.

www.youtube.com...


Having said that, its probably not a calibration issue.... but theoretically could be.


Still not sure why the things dont have physical buttons like an ATM does.

Even if it was not calibrated, it wouldn't be off THAT much.

Actually, there are links to sources already in this thread that show that if not properly calibrated, what happened in the OP's video can and does occur.

Yeah, I saw. Where on the screen do you have to touch to register the Republican vote correctly?

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit

originally posted by: lordcomac
All screens can (and most need to) be calibrated, not just CRT.

www.youtube.com...


Having said that, its probably not a calibration issue.... but theoretically could be.


Still not sure why the things dont have physical buttons like an ATM does.

Even if it was not calibrated, it wouldn't be off THAT much.

Actually, there are links to sources already in this thread that show that if not properly calibrated, what happened in the OP's video can and does occur.

Yeah, I saw. Where on the screen do you have to touch to register the Republican vote correctly?

I don't know. But all you have to do is talk to a poll worker and switch to another machine or request a paper ballot.

Problem solved.

and either way NOBODY will be held accountable so "Carry on, nothing to see here".
What a load of BS a reply to: SkepticOverlord

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I don't understand the logic though...

If it worked ok for one vote, but not ok on another. That means they didn't manipulate the touch sensor, and maybe they modified the code, either through memory hacking or some other means.

My question is... If you are going to go through all the trouble to hack the machine in one form or another, why make the hack visible? Why visibly show the selection is wrong in the User Interface? Why not just display the correct selection on the UI and just change the vote behind the scenes? That way somebody doesn't make one of these silly videos and start an investigation.

It doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that the sensor is malfunctioning. I wont say needs to be calibrated, I'll say it is simply malfunctioning.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I agree with u 100% and thank you for serving.

originally posted by: beezzer
Democrat votes turning to republican votes!

That's insane! That's outrageous! That's criminal!

Oh.

Republican votes turning to democrat votes?

Nothing to see here. Please move along now.

And this is your take away message ? The point ? The process ( VOTING )
offers the illusion you actually have a say in the outcome. YOU DON'T !
www.usenix.org...

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
Here's the video…

You can see that, on the voting screen above, the voter made the selection they wanted. But when they went to vote for the 2nd Congressional District, the selection for Democrat is picked when the voter tries to hit the Republican candidate.

The explanation that the touch sensor is misaligned is completely bogus.

This is intentional election fraud, by some operative (probably democrat), through modifying the machines. Flat-screen touch screens do not have a separately calibrated "touch sensor," only CRT touch screens do. Flat-panel LCD/LED touch screens are built with a sensor layer that is manufactured with a pixel-to-pixel alignment with the screen. The fact that a proper choice was made is proof there is nothing wrong with the screen.

I call BS on this one. Someone is modifying these easy to modify machines.

Mmmmkaaayy

This is one of the best calls I've seen on ATS. Couple that with ... "It was posted by the Owner."

Go ahead ... spill it. How'd you know? ... enquiring minds ... and all.

Any predictions on what the fallout is going to be?

People are still here? Both sides commit fraud, lie out their ass, and use any dirty tactic they can to win. Republicans are just better at it.

a reply to: tavi45

Yeah we all know that already my friend. I am wondering if the mad man Obama is going to legalize illegals just so he can give his democratic loser party millions of new votes? = Of course!!! ~$heopleNation