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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Korg Trinity
There is a false in the first image in this link: Michelson-Morley Experiment
The Viewer can only observe one beem of light deflected from arm 1. And to the Viewer.
The Viewer will not be able to observe the light which travels from the light Source directly to the Mirror.
A observer will not be able to observe light unless it is reflected towards the observer. Or unless the light beam is illumintated by a gass.
- The second beem of light the observer can see is from arm 2.
I am a bit confused about this Experiment because the distance from light Source through arm 2 is Equal to the distance the light travels through arm 1. There is no way they can messure any differential between arm 1 and arm 2?
This will result in that the observer only can see on beem of light, there will not be a trailing light beem do to the ether Wind?
Because no matter how you turn the table compare to the ether Wind the distance the light will trawel through the couces compare to the ether wind is the same?
The other question i would raise is this:
- Since the distance from light Source is Equal from arm 1 and arm 2 to the viewer. How would the Experiment tell the difference between the reflection from arm 1 and arm 2?
The Equations add up. So i am a bit confused.
This is pritty interesting
Do you have an answer to my question?
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Korg Trinity
Okay. I see what you are trying to say With these two videos. But i am going to bring up a few New questions.
In the first video there are two Viewers not one. That makes a big difference compared to the Michelson-Morley Experiment. In Michelson-Morley Experiment you have to consider that there is only one observer7viewer.
In the second video you have a buss. There is one very imortant issue the video dosent take into account. And that is that the buss is a isolated Chamber of atmosphere in motion. The atmosphere inside the buss is not really in motion relative to the clock inside the buss. The Whole buss is in motion relative to its surrounding atmosphere out side the buss and to the observer standing outside the buss.
If the person inside the buss throwes a ball into the air. The ball will not hit im in the face. It will fall stright Down.
The clock inside the buss will not move like the video is trying to explaine.
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Korg Trinity
It is not that simple. The theory is not illustrated properly.
There is a big difference in these two images when it comes to how light travels through the Ether.
This image bellow is used to illustrate the time difference in a buss, and it is not correct illustrated:
This is the correct illustration of the atmosphere that light would travel inside the buss.
There is a big difference in these two images.
The first image would illustrate the time the observer out side the buss is having. But not even that is correct. because it woul look like this:
The second image is the time frame the guy inside the buss would have.
These two would have the exact same time frame. Even relative to the motion of the buss. Becaue light is a constant no matter what enviorment it is in.
In the first image you have two Objects moving at the same speed relative to each other which light is bouncing of. That is not a correct illustration of the buss Experiment.
You are over complicating it. Let me ask you a question.
Do you agree that light when measured from all frames of reference would be the same speed?
or...
Are you saying that Einsteins Field equations are wrong and we should ignore relativity?
If we could start from there then I might narrow down the confusion.
Korg.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
So the energy that a photon has in Noreaster's example is expended on increasing wavelength, not increasing speed....is that correct?
Yes. Exactly.
Or decreasing it...
It's a Doppler effect.
Korg.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Rather than me waffle on about GR and SR, why not just watch the following. I have reviewed both and they are accurate.
Hope this helps,
Korg.
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
So the energy that a photon has in Noreaster's example is expended on increasing wavelength, not increasing speed....is that correct?
I dont really understand Your question.
The Light from both the lazors will travel With the same speed "always". The rear light will travel behind the front light Equal to the distance they are situated on the platfrom traveling at 6000m/s.
If you travel at 6000m/s and measure the speed of light from the lazors on the platfrom you will read 299,792,458m/s
But if you travel at 6000m/s and measure the speed of light from a stationary lazor. You will read the speed of light minus the platform speed of 6000m/s.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
originally posted by: spy66
But if you travel at 6000m/s and measure the speed of light from a stationary lazor. You will read the speed of light minus the platform speed of 6000m/s.
This is not correct.
If you were to measure the speed of light from all frames of reference the speed would not change. only the frequency of the light would differ.
Do you see?
Korg.
Correct, the speed of light would still travel at 299,792,458m/s. But since the platform where you measure the speed from is traveling at 6000m/s you will not read 299,792,458m/s.
The speed of light will seam slower by 6000m/s. That is if the messuring Device is callibrated as zero at 6000m/s.
No it wouldn't... I know it's counter intuitive... but the speed of light would still measure 299,792,458m/s.
The speed of Light is Constant.
Korg.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
originally posted by: NorEaster
Good lord. No wonder so many science-minded people are insisting on multiverses and 26 dimensions in their effort to make sense of "reality". This is complete horsesh*t. Einstein should be dug up and dragged around a circus ring by a clown car.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: NorEaster
Good lord. No wonder so many science-minded people are insisting on multiverses and 26 dimensions in their effort to make sense of "reality". This is complete horsesh*t. Einstein should be dug up and dragged around a circus ring by a clown car.
Except for those pesky tons of experiments that sort of, you know, prove that it's true.
Find me a way to hand wave 'em. I'd LOVE to be able to come up with an alternate explanation.
originally posted by: netbound
I’d throw in my 2 cents here, but I see it would be pointless. Anyone who would make the statements,
“Good lord. No wonder so many science-minded people are insisting on multiverses and 26 dimensions in their effort to make sense of "reality". This is complete horsesh*t. Einstein should be dug up and dragged around a circus ring by a clown car.”
is either trolling or not worth replying to. He/she is obviously so far above the likes of Einstein that no amount of effort trying to explain Einstein’s concepts will be acceptable. I imagine life must be tough for someone as brilliant as NorEaster; being surrounded by such vastly inferior underlings as we Earthly creatures.
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Korg Trinity
All the Equations are correct, but the Equations dont fit into the senarios With the buss and the observer.
Do you understand what i mean? Dont you see what i see?
What if you are not traveling on the laser pointer, but are working with the macro-system confine's frame of reference? This would be the frame of reference that includes all material wholes and the proximity spacing between all those material wholes that exist within the entire distance traveled by the laser pointer and the light photons emitted by the laser pointer in both directions.