Cannabis As Addictive As Heroin, Major New Study Finds

a reply to: Akragon

Good on you for kicking the smoking habit my sister just quit but with champix ? or what ever pfizer calls them in the states and she was a mess with the withdrawal symptoms after 3 months on it .

i was taking 20-30 pain killers a day when i was working that were the medical equivalent to heroin dihydrocodine and it was still not killing the pain just numbing it i am just one of life's people that gets immune to things very quick as are both my parents .

I just cannot figure out a heroin addict no matter what my attitude to them was is that it ? and my attitude is it is a kids drug

5cc of whisky and try that i have told a few people on it come back and say that is not crazy stuff and none have , if they really want to xxxx up ,and it is cheap



I am quite in favour of taking a tea or coffee style drink instead of smoking but for certain people as long as they manage to hold down a regular job etc

Drugs are for mugs i am inclined to add after many years of hard research

a reply to: Calalini

There is something to be said for this argument, I'll admit.

I personally know a 19 year old young lady who just had a baby a few months ago. She and her 30 year old baby-daddy now live at home with her parents, who are old friends of mine. Dad was Johnny on the spot, and tried to kaibosh that relationship early on, to no avail (half your age plus 7, kids!). The baby situation is a blessing that the girls parents are largely paying for, and probably always will.

The girl is a high school graduate, and comes from an intact home. She is not addicted to anything stronger than Starbucks, iPhones and country music. Yet - even today, her last 10 Facebook posts obsess over her new iPhone, baby-daddy drama (does he *love me* or are we "just friends?") Practically the only time she even mentions her kid in her social media posts are when he is napping.

It's not pot (or not!) that made this woman into an overgrown child. If anything, it would be too many antibiotics over the course of her childhood, and too much TV; -- specifically mindless fare about celebrities, sports, and current events.

Every problem you highlight in your post is about the personality of certain users, and holds true whether they use pot, sugar or Jesus to excess.

Our planet has real issues, and demands real grown ups who have the knowledge, skills and mindset required to brainstorm solutions and the work ethic required to see good ones actualized. The problem with families is exacerbated by pot, just as it is by junk food and television. Since we have no interest in that particular line of thought, the best we can do is to manage personalities better as they grow and develop. Anything less is whistling while you piss.

a reply to: snowspirit
Sugar is the gateway addiction imo.
Most things are ok in moderation, for the herb I would think there is not a big physical dependence like heroin..hogwash. Credibility is lost when things are blown out of porportion.

The fact is... garbage like this gets spread around because the drug companies will lose billions because of this poor little plant...

Then people who have no idea what their talking about jump on the bandwagon of lies and spread it even further...

and of course the typical moron out there that will believe anything they read, but they never help anything

I have to wonder what Big Pharma's losses have been in Colorado

a reply to: Akragon

I think the thing to remember is people seem far more immune to the bs these days. There will always be an element which simply is utterly clueless and able to be led down the garden path, but a vast majority of people in developed societies no longer let in the lies.

The big players that used to rely on us all being dumb as a brick are either panicking or trying to figure out a way to control the changes that happening as we type.

And as all this goes on around us Tommy Chong is moving it in style on Dancing With the Stars, Willie Nelson keeps on singing, and Bill Maher continues to point out the obvious to the oblivious. And is that Snoop Dog I see, rubbing shoulders with Woody? Gay marriage in the U.S. is now pretty much assured of legality in 35 states (the Ninth Circuit ruled in its favor today), people have opened their eyes about the environment, and prohibition is hanging on by a fingernail and a finger in the dam.

When truth gets nearer, untruths just get more preposterous. Then comes the attempt to make them official via 'long term studies'. Then truth, sitting on the sidelines too long, puts on its helmet and trots onto the field.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Well I think "they" actually have that figured out already...

Its a nifty little trick...

They put the dumbest asshat donkey they can find in a position of power, like senator or the like... And all the intelligent people are left wondering how it happened... and why it continues...

sigh

a reply to: Akragon

Ha! I live in Australia - have you ever heard of Tony Abbott?

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

case in point?

IF G.W Bush can be president theres no limits to how stupid the people in power can be...

a reply to: Akragon

Oh, mercy. Wouldn't it be absolutely amazing if just some of us had a real leader. A real person who is connected with the people, loves the people, makes attempts to fulfil the wants and needs of the people and not their own?

originally posted by: Calalini
a reply to: kurthall
And you may not be aware of this, but people experience addiction and using differently. I have gone through extreme withdrawal symptoms, but then I was always a very heavy smoker.

Sorry if I sound callous but if you and others who experience all these negative withdrawal symptoms from excessive intake of this plant then maybe pot is just not right for you. Everyone's body is different and many people don't think about it but your mental state, your diet, your lifestyle, your environment will all contribute to how you react to a certain substance.

Having said that let's say you are a heavy user. Just imagine if you replaced all the grass you smoke everyday with whiskey. Or cigarettes. Or Vicodin. Do you feel you would be better of or worse?

That's a lie. I tested it.

a reply to: DigitalJedi805
Personally I would just turn off the blacklight once a month and find a boatload of it everywhere
~10 years I smoked every day, probably the last 4 years a few times a day. Quit cold turkey, mild annoyance on how stuff didn't seem as much fun sober was the side effects. I experienced real-deal withdrawal from an SSNRI, not even in the same continent, let alone the same ballpark. Meanwhile I still haven't successfully quit smoking cigarettes yet

a reply to: TKDRL

I'll never understand why a GP will happily hand out prescriptions for SNRI and SSRI type drugs and similar and yet they demonise drugs like opiates and benzos that actually work for pain and body issues, or even mental ones.

Hypocrites.

a reply to: Calalini

is this not in the HOAX or LOL bin yet?

whatta a joke

i mean 7 pages? 7?!

for this utter nonsense?!

i just dont know what else to say

Maybe habitual addiction yes but no way physically addictive. If you stop smoking it you don't get cold turkey symptoms like Heroin or Crack. Cannabis is just cravings and that is down to the tobacco mixed in to keep it burning. This is from first hand experience .

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite
And worse, my GP is either a liar, or don't know what he was talking about. He suggested SSNRI for the problem I came to him for, chronic insomnia I have had my whole life, except when I smoked pot. I voiced my concerns about dependency and addiction, he said the drug didn't have any addiction problems, and that there is no problem drinking on that medication.

Wrong on both accounts. A few weeks after I started it, I went to the club, had like 4 beers and totally blacked out and woke up in the drunk tank. Only time that ever happened to me. It makes me not want to go to him at all, telling me that he won't give me lorazapam because it's addicting. I was only getting a 20 pill prescript once a year, and never really used the whole bottle before it expired.

a reply to: Ezappa
People mix in tobacco where you come from? If you even suggested such blasphemy around here, you would be run out of town