The Real Reason We Never Went Back to the Moon

originally posted by: Phage
The "ancient structures" are from a Spanish TV show. Did you even look at the "space suits?"
www.abovetopsecret.com...


And, in case anyone is interested, here is Armstrong's full speech (instead of an out of context statement). He was offering an inspiring message to a group of young people at the White House.

Thank you, Mr. Vice President, Mr. President, members of Congress, fellow astronauts, ladies and gentlemen.

Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that cold talk was the parrot, and he didn't fly very well. So I'll be brief. This week America has been recalling the Apollo program and reliving the memories of those times in which so many of us here, colleagues here in the first rows, were immersed. Our old astrogeology mentor, Gene Shoemaker, even called in one of his comets to mark the occasion with spectacular Jovian fireworks. And reminding us once again of the power and consequence of celestial extracurricular activities.

Many Americans were part of Apollo, about one or two in each thousand citizens, all across the country. They were asked by their country to do the impossible--to envisage the design and to build a method of breaking the bonds of earth's gravity and then sally forth to visit another heavenly body. The principal elements--leaving earth, navigating in space and descending to a planet unencumbered with runways and traffic control--would include major requirements necessary for a space-faring people.

Today a space shuttle flies overhead with an international crew. A number of countries have international space programs. During the space age we have increased our knowledge of our universe a thousand-fold.

Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers. There are many places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours--in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny.

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Karl Wolfe is a fraud:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

used google translate on it, it's a spanish page, yes, but the text agrees with the OP, not what you claim is a tv show. it mentions a tv show but you obviously didn't read it.

a reply to: raymundoko

Where did I say "Dark" side? I always use the term "Far Side of the Moon". If I said Dark Side that was just a brain glitch.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: FearYourMind

Again, see my tether paper I linked. Most of the "orbs" are reflections, others are excited plasma in glow mode due to the electrical current causing a z pinch.

Your retorts are garbage and you still never explained how these objects change trajectory and make U-Turns. First they were ice crystals, now they are plasma, you guys are full of crap.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: FearYourMind

Oh boy, the old "they would need modern diamond tipped blades" joke.

You do know they have replicated those cuts with tools available at the time right? You also know a guy in the USA has shown how to move 10-20 Ton blocks by himself, including lifting them into the air, right?

Nobody has replicated it and how would they know what tools they used at the time considering they haven't found any tools at the site? This Hercules guy you speak of has never been able to accomplish anything close to what was built at these sites.

a reply to: FearYourMind

Neil, from what I've researched, believes there's nothing on the moon. The alleged sighting he's quoted as having was taken out of context as well and he's gone to great lengths to get that corrected.

originally posted by: RodNastyused google translate on it, it's a spanish page, yes, but the text agrees with the OP, not what you claim is a tv show. it mentions a tv show but you obviously didn't read it.

ditto.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
This theory has been exhausted on more threads than I care to mention. It's been shown to be unsupportable when intelligently investigated. It gets so tiresome having the same discussions over and over and over again. And reading the same arguments and seeing the same inwardly edited videos trying to make a case that cannot be made.

I'm sure you realize that attempted censorship and criticism of a subject only makes it more attractive to those interested in these types of threads and in fact adds to the conspiracy angle.

If it's so tiresome for these types of threads and discussions; might I suggest you avoid them and leave others the oppertunity to make up their own minds. simple....

Not to mention younger people and others unfamiliar and new to the topic coming up and getting into this information have EVERY RIGHT to hear it first hand and updated by new perspectives.

Some people, probably misinfo guys, love to cover up the fact that the vaunted USANSANASA
were told:

TO KEEP YOUR COTTIN PICKIN ASS OFF THE MOON!
OR ELSE!


Maybe we are tasting right now the
OR ELSE!

a reply to: FearYourMind

I am dumbfounded by your ignorance.

The Forgotten Tech

Video of it

And we know roughly when PumuPunku was built, I am not sure why you think we don't.

The Age of Pumapunku

As noted by Andean specialist, Binghamton University Anthropology professor W. H. Isbell,[2] a radiocarbon date was obtained by Vranich[3] from organic material from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill forming the Pumapunku. This layer was deposited during the first of three construction epochs and dates the initial construction of the Pumapunku to 536–600 CE (1510 ±25 B.P. C14, calibrated date). Since the radiocarbon date came from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill underlying the andesite and sandstone stonework, the stonework must have been constructed sometime after 536–600 CE . The excavation trenches of Vranich show that the clay, sand, and gravel fill of the Pumapunku complex lie directly on the sterile middle Pleistocene sediments. These excavation trenches also demonstrated the lack of any pre-Andean Middle Horizon cultural deposits within the area of the Tiwanaku Site adjacent to the Pumapunku complex.[3]

So Pumapunku was built within the last 1500~ years.

Pumapunku was also made from Andestite and Sandstone, so those cuts are VERY EASY to make even with VERY primitive tools. I am sure you thought they were Granite because you obviously watch Ancient Aliens...

Ancient Aliens Debunked

a reply to: FearYourMind

Guess what happens when you have a long straight charged object?

Particles, including ice and excited plasma, orbit the object:

Video of water orbiting charged object in zero g

The ice particles were what were creating the reflections and they create the "donut" reflection. Videos have already been shown that EXACTLY REPLICATE this effect.

originally posted by: Junkheap
That "Ancient Structure On The Moon Filmed By Armstrong, 1969" looks suspiciously like footage from the 1989 Walter Koenig film "Moontrap".

Nevermind, looks like Phage beat me to it. But the movie "Moontrap" had a similar looking structure, too.

I made it a custom not to take any fuzzy, out of focus object serious when it is UFO/alien related and suggest everybody do the same. Hopefully, if everybody would do the same none of such videos will appear on the web. The ones in focus which will then appear would have my attention. Of course this will never happen...but still.

Do you expect Armstrong to record such a fuzzy and crappy film for analisis back home..? Don't think so...

I call utter BS on that Armstrong recorded Moon film.

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Ye see, this is why people have a hard time taking your opinions seriously.

ALL the Apollo missions from Apollo 8 onwards orbited the moon, the CM pilot stayed up there while the two others guys made the landings. The CM pilot was on the dark side, in orbit, every time the module went around, on his own. The most isolated human being in the history of mankind.

I recommend that you learn something about the Apollo program before you talk about it online.

a reply to: Therealjohndoe

It's not easy to cover up a space launch, lol.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: FearYourMind

Neil, from what I've researched, believes there's nothing on the moon. The alleged sighting he's quoted as having was taken out of context as well and he's gone to great lengths to get that corrected.

Probably after having his and his family's life threatened.

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Great job on the OP! I appreciate the videos; I had never seen them, and I'm sure a lot of new members to ATS appreciate it too. S&F
The PTB have "secrets" hidden in movies all the time. The easiest way to avoid detection is to put it right out there in the open. Then when people make certain claims about their secrets all they have to do is claim they must be thinking of something that was on a movie. Pretty clever... and it works!

a reply to: FearYourMind

Ice crystals do not re-direct their trajectory like that. Dust with a camera is not even comparable. You would be seeing dust fly around in the air. Space has no air, it is a weightless environment. If you threw a baseball in space it would continue going straight forever, or until a planet's gravitational pull changed it's trajectory. Did you watch the video and see how these objects made U-Turns and were going all different directions?

They do when the micro thrusters jet on and off to keep the vehicle stable in orbit. Anything close is going to move by fast, and and at a sudden angle incident. The farther away, the less the effect but you can see it readily if you examine the pictures with a scientific attitude. In one of the short clips, you can even see the brightening of the frames as the thrusters fired, at the exact same time the images seem to reverse direction.

a reply to: RodNasty

but the text agrees with the OP,

The text from Benitez? The text is a lie. Look at the stupid "space suits.". Compare them to the actual Apollo suits. The video was not made on the Moon. It was made in a studio on Earth.

Translate this:
magonia.com...

It didn't take me much to dig for more information from internos' post thanks to Phage.

Here is a screen shot of that video in OP:



Notice the logo in the upper left corner? This guy videoed the monitor showing that video. I guess its to make it appear low quality and old and 'authentic'.

Now to the best part:

Here is the original:



Go to around 34:00. It lasts for about 6 1/2 minutes (about 2 minutes more than the video in OP).

This one might be a little better in quality but I am not sure: www.dailymotion.com...

We know why we never went back, the public lost interest in space on Apollo 12 - by the time they last went we just didnt have the technology to do much more up there, even with what we know today, we would still need a Rocket the size of Apollo to launch a similar payload to do nothing more than the Apollo guys did 50 odd years ago.

It is completely cost innefective to do anything on the moon and I am not sure what usefull things there are left to do there. I went to the Desert once, there was nothing there so I havnt been back, I could do, but there is no point.

If we think there are rare minerals up there that we can mine, well until we get some better, more economic launch vehicles its not going to happen.

Also, in the great scheme of things, we havnt yet put a fare paying passenger in a low earth orbit space hotel and are far to busy trying to kill ourselves than go back to the moon.

a reply to: Vrill

You are right.

Many have been pushing for a return to the moon since the 70's including Astronauts like Buzz Aldrin.

It's lamentable that the Apollo program was cancelled, but it can easily be established as to why when one looks at the history of the period.

a reply to: Phage

The video was not made on the Moon. It was made in a studio on Earth.

is it really any surprise when people get confused between the "real" moon landings and the ones done in the studios?

there was someone who said that there would come a time when people would not know the difference between truth and fiction ...apparently we are there

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

There is zero evidence, other than speculation and rumours generated by charlatans, that any moon landings were done in a studio.

Look at any 'space' film work done in the 60's and 70's, they couldn't get close to the moon landing footage. The footage taken on the moon has been demonstrated time and time again to be consistent with the laws of physics in every way. This is being done constantly by people using current state of the art video analysis......oh yeah I forgot, we're all stupid, Bill Kaysing and Jarrah White are smarter that the rest of us.


Keep on toeing the line dude!