Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: BASSPLYR

bassplyr.... imho, if it werent for 1st hand witnesses such as urself (and many others on ATS), i dont believe i (or most others) would even be reading any of these threads...

sure, stories can be looked into and surgically analyzed by ATS, but what is more powerful than photos or video, stories or 'insider info', is witness testimony.
I have left this thread on pg40-something, gone abroad, came back to find it was into the 60's page, so i catch up... but it seems to me it has shifted a bit... i got kinda lost.

Why do people make things more complicated than they are? you and many others saw this craft, thats what i believe. Hell... that is what i claim to 'know'.

Maybe one of these days i would see it myself, but i have a request from me to you.... please keep me PM updated if you witness anything crazy goes down again.. That would be epic bassplyr.

Thanks

a reply to: combatmaster

I'll let you know via PM if I see anything else. But it's been pretty quiet here lately. I think they took their toys abroad. Saw the green light in the weird california sighting. Saw something weird coming back from a fishing trip in the sierras when driving past china lake on the highway. Seen the fast light thats not a satellite cross the sky often enough. (thats been going on for a decade.) but no more triangles.

I encourage people to look up. Besides the beautiful stars there is some neat stuff to see every now and then.

As for me. I didn't just come away perplexed by how cool the thing looked, going off onto a long journey to understand what I had seen. I came away feeling proud of the USA. They haven't dropped the ball at all. They've changed the game to a whole new level that just about nobody can even play on without getting smoked. Just that nobody else knows it.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

You want to see something really wild, give it a few months, get some good NV gear, and look up. It's gonna get crazy up there within the next year or so from what I hear.

a reply to: Zaphod58

If only I didn't live directly next to an airport :-( I'm guessing there won't be any wild schenannigan's going on so close to an international hub.

a reply to: parad0x122

No, it'll be all over. It's not going to be vehicles this time, but if you have a good NV setup you'll be able to see it anywhere.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Not a hallucination. Not guided wishful thinking.

Did you happen to talk to anyone by the name "Kreskin"? or maybe they called themselves just "Amazing"?

As much as I think that such things can occur, there is no way to reverse engineer what you saw. I did note some dialogue you were engaged in and thought some of language directed at you was "fishy". just an observation...or maybe a suggestion

a reply to: BASSPLYR

If it wasn't there for the reason I believe, then WTF was it doing there?

i don't know

i'm just curious about your level of certainty regarding the extra details

if i'd seen what you saw i'd have treated it as something of a mystery and tried to look at all possible explanations

a reply to: parad0x122

The 'story' is just that, it is just a dream!

However the devil is in the details highlighted by the story and I will be soon detailing several data points that I have cherry picked from the original story, for the purposes and agenda of telling another story to reveal more critical set of data and specifically a data set that I hope that actually inspires and leads somewhere off this planet soon, instead of us all being stuck on Earth and Earth stuck with our continuing polluting and limited resource natures.

Dare we dream to breakaway from Earth and its imprisoning gravitational well

My very reputation on ATS is at stake and I do not take that lightly and nor do take it for granted.

Space awaits us all cheaply in this lifetime, but we must breakaway from this 'silo' mentality spoken about during the UN's High-level Political Forum 2014 (under the auspices of ECOSOC) 30 Jun 2014 - 9 Jul 2014, New York.

The High-level Political Forum 2014 was held under the auspices of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) for the first time from Monday, 30 June, through Wednesday, 9 July 2014. The ministerial meeting of the forum was held as part of the high-level segment of the ECOSOC from 7 to 9 July 2014.

The theme for the forum for 2014 was "Achieving the Millennium Development Goals and charting the way for an ambitious post-2015 development agenda, including the sustainable development goals".

HLPF Issue Briefs 5: From silos to integrated policy making [.PDF]

Key issues for progress:
A “silo mentality” remains entrenched in the overall institutional arrangements at all levels. At the international level, the silo approach persists, as agreements, targets and financial commitments are organized by sector.

This sector-oriented approach affects the coverage, coherence and consistency of international public financing frameworks for sustainable development. Overcoming institutional fragmentation and resistance is a difficult task, especially in an environment of tight budgets, limited staff, unreliable funding streams, and shifting donor priorities.

At the national level, policy fragmentation also remains a challenge, as governments are often organized along sectoral lines and effective inter-sectoral structures and coordination arrangements are commonly lacking.

A silo approach to planning often combines with inadequate financial resources and limited human and institutional capacities, as well as, in some countries, with uncertainties resulting from conflict or post-conflict situations.

Efforts to mainstream sustainable development into national strategies and their success differ across the board, based on the approach taken and the characteristics, capacity and institutional culture of each country.

In general, it has been noted that while the social agenda of the MDGs has been largely mainstreamed into the national strategies, many countries have yet to fully integrate all three dimensions of sustainable development in their national development strategies.

There is, however, a multitude of good practices, as well as guidelines, resource materials, planning models, tools and approaches that national and local governments can use towards integrating sustainable development into their policies and modi operandi. For example, in recent years, toolkits on inclusive green growth have been developed for the use of policy-makers at the national level. National studies on the climate- energy- land- water cluster or “nexus” have been conducted in more than 15 countries.

Which is all Agenda 21 based overarching and overbearing socialist crab mentality that pigeonholes all our God given freedoms in a race to the bottom lowest common denominator and that is a greedy needy welfare based system based on lack of vision and poor lack of appropriate infrastructure, which individual nations are expected to get right on their own or step on up for a UN World Bank Loan!

Integration and coordination are essential for overall policy coherence. This was recognized early on in the institutional history of sustainable development. Agenda 21 called on Governments to adopt national strategies for sustainable development and harmonize their economic, social and environment policies and plans. In 2002, the Johannesburg Summit underlined the need to establish or strengthen existing authorities and mechanisms necessary for policy-making, coordination and implementation and enforcement of laws. At the Rio+20 Conference in 2012, UN Member States reiterated heir commitment to mainstream sustainable development at all levels, and recognized the interlinkages between its three dimensions.

Where TPTB are locking us all into " their economic, social and environment policies and plans." [go read up on the pan-pacific (cough cough) free (cough) trade agreement and see if it is fair or fully transparent!]

Look here ...

NASA Says we Don't Have Much Time Left (New Report)

Ultra-rich man's letter: "To My Fellow Filthy Rich Americans: The Pitchforks Are Coming"

And ...

Small-Scale Traditional Farming is the Only Way to Avoid Food Crisis, UN Researcher Says

When returning enmass to that kind of living is neither practical nor does it enshrine our natural liberty when any random large rock could possibly smack us into kingdom come, just like the dinosaurs went extinct and even if we knew it was coming there would probably not be anything we could practically do about it except stick our heads in stupid d.u.m.b places which simply can not get out of the way of a mile wide rod from god.

The only way is to breakaway and become self sufficient in space.

Project Orion Nuclear detonation propulsion spaceship will never get off the ground as far as we are concerned and so we are trapped ... or are we

Stay Tuned For Tips On How To Escape The Earth On TPTB Secret Secure Channel 2.45Ghz [Not a radio channel and danger: restricted access] OR keep watching this thread for my updates!

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: parad0x122

No, it'll be all over. It's not going to be vehicles this time, but if you have a good NV setup you'll be able to see it anywhere.

any particular type of nv?

i've been thinking of getting something for other reasons but am not sure what type to get

a reply to: aynock

Gen IV if you can get them. A III may work but IV would be best.

a reply to: Zaphod58

originally posted by: parad0x122
I agree, but let's be honest and take a second to look at the majority of the GUT's posts on this thread....clearly he's here to do just that: judge.

That, and I'm seeing a continuing theme of trying to discredit a certain member's reputation. For what reason? Beats me, but that's what I took away after reading all 63 pages of this thread.

Hey, I keep asking for more information and I'll SERIOUSLY consider it if it ever comes along. So far, all that the fractured and incoherent tales offer is the Occam's that somebunny is screwing with my ATS family and ufology as a whole.

The way I see it, I'm one of your very best friends. I provide my logic and/or research for my talking points. I don't hit and run. Our new member ForeverMan actually seems as if he's gonna offer substance for research. I can respect that and I'm actually HOPING to find some proof of something wondrous.

originally posted by: parad0x122

originally posted by: tetra50


Surely it is possible to support this member's honesty, without judging others here who haven't said more. I hardly think that's fair, especially full well knowing what can happen when one starts talking about this more.

I agree, but let's be honest and take a second to look at the majority of the GUT's posts on this thread....clearly he's here to do just that: judge.

That, and I'm seeing a continuing theme of trying to discredit a certain member's reputation. For what reason? Beats me, but that's what I took away after reading all 63 pages of this thread.

i've been here the whole time, but sometimes when you're on a thread, participating, instead of just coming into it late, and reading the whole thing...you end up with a better perspective. I'm just riding the tide, so to speak, and don't have the same perspective, so I realize you make a good point.

It is sad, but you are likely right about what's going on here. Perhaps it's bait, to get someone to "stand up" and be ridiculed, then, disseminated and dissected...just as spacedog has been. Perhaps it's an effort to reveal forevermen...make sure there aren't any who've been missed. Because, you see, I think the Forevermen are truly hostages, here.
tetra

a reply to: The GUT
Obviously, you make a cogent point about "screwing with UFOology, as this is a regular occurence to discredit the whole thing. But, this:

I'm actually HOPING to find some proof of something wondrous.

is rather counterintuitive on your part, I believe, as surely all of us here know that something wondrous usually doesn't come dressed in appropriate scientific proofs....frequently, that's part of why it's wondrous. But perhaps it's as simple as "you had to be there...."

For my own part, I will be quite honest that I probably would never share the details of my experience on this forum, or any forum. It seems neither the place, nor the time, nor the right atmosphere to share anything which has already impacted your life and perception, thereof, as much as it usually does when you've had such an experience.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: parad0x122

No, it'll be all over. It's not going to be vehicles this time, but if you have a good NV setup you'll be able to see it anywhere.

Well, there is a lot of activity in our skies here as of late. In the countryside near Huntsville.

Whatever they were doing the other day seemed to result in some white fibrous spiderweb-like material floating down...and then back up. I tried to chase some down but no luck. Not necessarily associated--the air operation and the stringy stuff, but???

So, if it's not going to be vehicles this time and everyone can see it, could there be some relation to what I just mentioned?

I'm no chemtrailer, but I grew up on AF bases and I know an air operation when one is to be seen.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BASSPLYR

You want to see something really wild, give it a few months, get some good NV gear, and look up. It's gonna get crazy up there within the next year or so from what I hear.

Between oil going down to $75 and triangular toys flying over LA and Texas....

Have you noticed how Polonium Vlad's dogs of war have recently gotten muzzled?

a reply to: The GUT

I was referencing the Kreskin video which is interesting. Thanks for sharing that. There it is! All the confirmation I need to show everyone I was right that a group of people can "see" something like a UFO. But I don't buy Kreskin's shtick. Maybe. But definitely not blindly. I think there is some group dynamics stuff...definitely going to look into it.

Allow me to talk out my butt for a second. When some has a sighting or something, its really impossible to distinguish between a real sighting and something like a suggested one. Once the event occurs, it is then recalled by memory. Memories can also be manipulated by suggestions. So suggesting what someone saw was due to a suggestion is, in fact, a suggestion.

originally posted by: The GUT

Whatever they were doing the other day seemed to result in some white fibrous spiderweb-like material floating down...and then back up. I tried to chase some down but no luck. Not necessarily associated--the air operation and the stringy stuff, but???

radar chaff? maybe testing jamming or anti-jamming DSP?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Very cool. Now to start shopping for NV gear ;-)

a reply to: UNIT76

Hey Unit:

where the best 'most expedient' (?looks at tetra) method of conveyance
is to attach yourself to some unsuspecting schmuck
who doesn't even realize what's going on

Oh I'm pretty aware of that, actually. Or wait, am I? Am I the unsuspecting schmuck, the method of conveyance or what, exactly? Maybe I'm not aware ENOUGH....
Thanks, I think....