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How to Create Kurdistan (Big Oil - ISIS)

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:05 AM

"Land of the Kurds"; also formerly spelled Curdistan ancient name: Corduene is a roughly defined geo-cultural region wherein the Kurdish people form a prominent majority population, and Kurdish culture, language, and national identity have historically been based. Contemporary use of Kurdistan refers to large parts of eastern Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Iraqi Kurdistan), northwestern Iran (Iranian Kurdistan) and northeastern Syria (Syrian Kurdistan) inhabited mainly by Kurds. Kurdistan roughly encompasses the northwestern Zagros and the eastern Taurus mountain ranges.

Some Kurdish nationalist organizations seek to create an independent nation state of Kurdistan, consisting of some or all of the areas with Kurdish majority, while others campaign for greater Kurdish autonomy within the existing national boundaries. Iraqi Kurdistan first gained autonomous status in a 1970 agreement with the Iraqi government, and its status was re-confirmed as an autonomous entity within the federal Iraqi republic in 2005. There is a province by the name Kurdistan in Iran; it is not self-ruled. Kurds fighting in the Syrian Civil War were able to take control of large sections of northeast Syria as forces loyal to al-Assad withdrew to fight elsewhere. Having established their own government, some Kurds called for autonomy in a democratic Syria; others hoped to establish an independent Kurdistan.

I thought I'd share a thought that's been bouncing around in my head for some time now. Many have opinions & theories on how and why ISIS was created for good reason, I'd like to post the following for your consideration. With all that has transpired over the past few months in eastern Europe regarding the Ukrainian/Russian pipeline/Fuel fiasco while coupled with the ongoing Syrian issue how does one attempt to tie it all together with ISIS?

Iraq is in shambles, Iran, Russia and China are increasingly gaining influence in the region/oil reserves. Would finally establishing a long fought for Kurdish homeland help the West? The West may want a Pipeline through Syrian territory into the Mediterranean?

I'll post the following possibly connected dots for your consideration.

Step 1.) Verify vast quantities of resources for future plundering.

KRG-controlled parts of Iraqi Kurdistan are estimated to contain around 45 billion barrels (7.2×109 m3) of oil, making it the sixth largest reserve in the world. Extraction of these reserves began in 2007. Iraq's former Baath regime controls the resources of Kirkuk and Mosul, cities claimed by the KRG to be included in its territory.

In November 2011, Exxon challenged the Iraqi central government's authority with the signing of oil and gas contracts for exploration rights to six parcels of land in Kurdistan, including one contract in the disputed territories, just east of the Kirkuk mega-field. This act caused Baghdad to threaten to revoke Exxon's contract in its southern fields, most notably the West-Qurna Phase 1 project. Exxon responded by announcing its intention to leave the West-Qurna project.

Step 2.) Verify friendliness to Islam & Western interests.

The Kurds are a people of Indo-European origin. They speak an Iranian language known as Kurdish, and comprise the majority of the population of the region – however, included therein are Arab, Armenian, Assyrian, Azeri, Jewish, Ossetian, Persian, and Turkic communities. Most inhabitants are Muslim, but adherents to other religions are present as well – including Yazidis, the Yarsan, Alevis, Christians, and Jews.

Step 3.) Create an International reason for their Establishment.

As Iraq further disintegrated, residents fled Mosul in droves. Militants captured the country's second-largest city this week after soldiers scattered, leaving their uniforms and weapons behind.

The spreading violence prompted U.S. President Barack Obama to say the beleaguered government required assistance.

"It's going to need more help from us, and it's going to need more help from the international community," Obama said. "I don't rule out anything, because we do have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria."

Step 4.) Support their fight for Independence/resistance.

Kurdish Peshmerga fighters take part in field training to fight Islamic State (IS) militants at Mount Batnaya near Zummar, September 20, 2014.

(Reuters) - Syrian Kurdish fighters have halted an advance by Islamic State fighters to the east of a predominantly Kurdish town near the border with Turkey, a spokesman for the main armed Kurdish group said.

"Fierce clashes are still under way but the ISIS (Islamic State) advance to the east of Kobani has been halted since last night," Redur Xelil, spokesman for the main Kurdish armed group, the YPG, said via Skype. He said the eastern front was the scene of the fiercest fighting in the offensive launched by Islamic State last Tuesday on Kobani, also known in Arabic as Ayn al-Arab. More than 100,000 Syrian Kurds, driven by fear of Islamic State, have fled its advance, many crossing the border into Turkey.

Step 5.) Announce/Sell your intentions to the Global Community.

“This notion that's out there that Arab countries aren't signing up is just false,” he said.

“The thing that I would do is try to convey to you that this is part of an ongoing effort,” Earnest said. “We're going to have conversations prior to the United Nations General Assembly meeting with our Arab partners that have signaled a willingness to join this coalition.”

Who knows for sure.
My Tinfoil hat may be just a bit too tight but I thought it worth posting.

edit on 22-9-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:19 AM
a reply to: SLAYER69

I haven't fully read all of what you posted yet. But I thought I would get a quick thought out there that has been bothering myself, and many Iraqi's lately.

That is, the new president of Iraq is a Kurd. I suppose everyone knows that already and in general is not a big deal. One of his first acts was to stop any and all bombing of ISIS anywhere there are civilians present.

Well... this pretty much stops any bombing of ISIS at all. And there are a lot of people pretty pissed off about that, because the targeted air strikes were helping a lot in the fight against ISIS.

Now... you have a lot of people on the ground in those areas wondering why in the hell they have been stopped. They are beginning to call the government traitors to Iraq because of it.
edit on 22-9-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:56 AM
An interesting set of scenarios there, Slayer.

I think it is only a matter of time before the Kurds gain their own sovereign state. Iraqi Kurdistan has, within the past couple of years, started to ship oil to Turkey and Israel, bypassing and angering Baghdad. These are seen to be steps towards self-determination, and ISIS may very well be the direct harbinger of Kurdish independence.

Iraq and Syria are unstable. If Syria falls, i expect the Kurds there to campaign for sovereignty or autonomy. I'm also thinking that the only way ethnic demographics in Iraq will properly thrive is if the state is partitioned, and that will no doubt include Iraqi Kurdistan. I expect the ISIS threat will force these situations.

I think the time is right for Kurdish independence, and time will soon force the West to accept such a deal, despite any reluctance. The current war has only skyrocketed the image of the Kurds, Kurdistan and their society.
edit on 22-9-2014 by daaskapital because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:35 AM
I think that an independent Kurdistan would be a stabilizing influence in that region. Having worked with them I found that Kurds are more interested in business than religion. The majority of them could care less what religion a person is. They just want to know whether they are honorable and can be trusted.

But they've been screwed over so many times in the past that gaining that trust is a long hard road.

Also, Kurds have no love or loyalty to any of the other governments in that region. I hope that Kurdistan does come to fruition.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:42 AM
Interesting idea, and definitely one that has credence. We've been hearing about the Kurds and their struggles for decades, it only makes sense that they'd carve out a bit of territory for them as a "reward" for siding with the West all these years, though I'm not sure that they'd get part of Turkey, which is still a NATO signatory. That might change, there have been rumblings in the Turkish government about breaking with the West, and if that happens, then the last piece would fall into place.


posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 10:54 AM

Would finally establishing a long fought for Kurdish homeland help the West? The West may want a Pipeline through Syrian territory into the Mediterranean?

No it wouldn't be good for us.

Because we would be talking about Kurdistan instead of Syria,

Saudi, and Iran would be sending their 'black waters' to build their pipeline.

I guess once could look at the past years of war in Syria as

Sunni pipeline versus the Shia pipeline.

And they both sell to Russia, and China.

edit on 22-9-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 11:04 AM
a reply to: neo96

Well, you just proved my point. The Kurds are more business orientated than religious oriented.

"Let the buyer beware" and "There's a sucker born every minute." comes to mind.

So, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, business as usual.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 01:17 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex

Well, you just proved my point. The Kurds are more business orientated than religious oriented.

I wouldn't say that.

The entire middle east is dominated by God,Guns,and oil.

The only two things that it exports are oil, and international terrorism.

Allah, AK-47's made by Russia, and China, and they both get their oil from them.

I can't figure out how Russia once the great enemy of 'Islam' is now best buds with the Shia variety of terrorists.(Afghanistan during the 80s).

I can figure out how the US once the great 'liberator' of the oppressed ( Afghanistan) has become the great satan of the ME who will continually ally itself with the Sunni variety of terrorists.

Considering how Turkey has gone over the past decade once an 'ally' is now in bed with radical terrorists.

I don't think a 'Kurdistan' would be any different.
edit on 22-9-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 02:11 PM
You might be on to something...

Whatever the agenda you can be sure Oil has something to do with it.


posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 04:01 PM
U.S., Allies Training Kurds on Using Sophisticated Weaponry Against Islamic State

ERBIL, Iraq—The U.S. military and its allies have launched an urgent effort to train Kurdish forces to use sophisticated weapons that the West is expected to supply in the coming months for a stepped up counteroffensive against the extremist group Islamic State.

For the past month, American, British and French advisers have been training fighters from the semiautonomous Kurdistan region in battlefield techniques at military bases across northern Iraq.

The conflict with Islamic State insurgents has laid bare the weaknesses of the forces known as Peshmerga, who not only lack military hardware but also have a strategic deficiency. Steeped in guerrilla warfare, the forces have little experience defending long front lines or fighting in urban environments, Kurdish officials said. (More: Kurds Gain on Islamic State in Iraq)

One goal of the broader U.S.-led training program is to transform the Peshmerga from an irregular force into a more organized one that can more effectively fight Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 04:19 PM
Slayer I have thought this myself and what is puzzling to me is that Turkey seems strangely complicit in the growth of ISIS. That in and of itself isn't surprising they being an ally and all. The rub is that I have always been led to believe the last thing they want is a financially strong and emboldened Kurdistan in the region. What lies behind curtain #2?

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 04:41 PM
a reply to: neo96

I've worked with them, and to be truthful, I think they are a whole lot different than the other entities within the Middle East.

Maybe because they've been screwed over so many times, they have become more pragmatic than the others?

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 05:41 PM

originally posted by: neo96

I can't figure out how Russia once the great enemy of 'Islam' is now best buds with the Shia variety of terrorists.(Afghanistan during the 80s).

Most of the Afghan muj in the 80's were Sunni. The Hazara were Shi'a, but they got their aid mostly from Iran. We were still plenty pissed off at Iran over that whole hostage taking and holding and torturing thing, but put that on the back burner in favor of getting at the Soviets from two different directions in Afghanistan.

Why, I'd be willing to bet that whole "uneasy partnership with Iran" thing had a lot to do with "Iran-Contra"!

That word "Soviets" is a key to your dilemma - "Soviets" were the enemies of Islam - "Russians" not so much.

I can figure out how the US once the great 'liberator' of the oppressed ( Afghanistan) has become the great satan of the ME who will continually ally itself with the Sunni variety of terrorists.

Well, because the Russians are allying themselves with the Shi'a variety, of course! Some things never change - whomever we pick, they'll go after the opposite market, and vice versa.

Now, to be real honest, WE didn't "liberate" anyone in Afghanistan - Afghans did that. We only provided them the assistance necessary to accomplish that. Unfortunately, just as soon as the Soviets skittered across their Freedom Bridge across the northern border into Uzbekistan, we skittered away, too - leaving a power vacuum there to be filled by whomever came along... so the Pakistani ISI sent the Taliban to come along, and the rest is history.

Considering how Turkey has gone over the past decade once an 'ally' is now in bed with radical terrorists.

Yeah, it's a shame how things change over time, ain't it? Such is the nature of life, I suppose.

I don't think a 'Kurdistan' would be any different.

I believe it would, for several reasons not the least of which is the power that the PKK wields in Kurdish politics. The PKK is a communist - er, "socialist" or "progressive" or whatever those godless commies are calling themselves at the moment - faction (which is why it's getting support from political factions in the US under the disguise of "helping the Kurds" - they REALLY just want to help the PKK) which would be opposed to "islam" (yes, lower case "i") of the variety that ISIS is pushing on to people. See "Soviets" for the reason. It seems that, in common with the Highlander series, "there can be only one" when it comes to totalitarian regimes governing a given area. The PKK wants it to be them, ISIS would rather it was them. You know how that goes - it's the same reason that ISIS and the FSA factions are trying to kill each other off... everyone wants to be king, and needs to kill off the other runners for the throne.

The Peshmerga is probably a different story - they're NOT PKK, and not communists, either, but they hate ISIS too, and will fight to the death if given the slightest encouragement.

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 06:34 PM
a reply to: SLAYER69

I believe my government is FOS!
I believe the MSM is FOS!
I believe polititions are FOS.

What can I do with that Slay?

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 06:47 PM
a reply to: nenothtu

You have just highlighted why its impossible for the United States to "pick" any side. There is a distinct inability to pick anything therefore it needs to be middle easterners themselves who figure all this out.

We have better things to figure out right here at home.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 06:50 PM
a reply to: SLAYER69

I sure hope they get to #4 before there are no Yazidi left.

Thanks SLAYER69.

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:44 PM
a reply to: nenothtu

I believe it would

I still don't hell between Turkey that was already mentioned. Then add Tehran, and Baghdad becoming 'best' buds.

Since the only countries that are 'allowed' to exist in the ME are religious theocracies either Sunni, and Shia.

No other countries are allowed to exist.

Just ask them evil zionists.

It's just my opinion here nothing saying anyone has to agree with it.

And I have an extremely low opinion of that entire region.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: SLAYER69

You may be crediting the government(s) with too much intelligence.

I have to hand it to you, however, if they were smart (which I very much doubt) then this would be a logical plan.

But I blame the mess if the Middle East mostly due to ineptness of the current crop of leaders.

posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 01:59 AM
I dont think a separate Kurdistan would be good for the region, as much as I would like to see the Kurds get it. It seems like one of those things where we all believe its logical they would be universally beloved, but in reality they would be universally hated.

One would be far too optimistic to think an autonomous Kurdish state would function with multiple religions and such, because at the end they are all human. Here in the west we have struggles between atheists and Christians, and other religions all making it difficult as is. Shared heritage or not, people have differing ideas of government.

At any rate I think the Kurds want oil revenue more than they want independence. Of course they have wanted it forever (what ethnic group wouldnt?) but I think their real reason behind the push is profit.

As you can see in the next article the Kurds have already started selling oil that isnt legally theirs - perhaps in an attempt to gain recognition from foreign nations. China would be in support without a doubt, and who knows why they sent a navy vessel to Iran? Couldnt possibly be related. But they have no interest in Kurdish politics, just the resource benefits.

The Iraqis would certainly resent the traitors running off with their oil producing cities, and no country would want to lose territory. Keep in mind that Assad allied, to some degree, with the Kurds - and thus they are somewhat of an enemy of 'the west'. Its like we're all trying to grab their allegiance first.

The Turks in particular have been adamant against an independent Kurdistan. This article is eye-opening as to their point of view - and it alludes to the idea that Turkey was either tacitly or explicitly supporting IS, for the same reason the US was - to destroy a common enemy. When you consider the whole false flag debacle from the Turkish government, I think it is rather obvious they are going to derail any Kurdish independence.

originally posted by: neo96
I can figure out how the US once the great 'liberator' of the oppressed ( Afghanistan) has become the great satan of the ME who will continually ally itself with the Sunni variety of terrorists..

Have you been asleep the past decade? The Afghanis have been invaded over a dozen times and they have ALWAYS repelled them. They do not want foreigners telling them how to live. They are a fiercely proud and independent people. Read The New Great Game by Lutz Kleveman for a first hand account of the Afghanis.

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