Quarantine Accelerates Ebola Spread

Damned if you, damned if you don't, IMHO... if you quarantine, people who weren't sick are stuck with people who are sick... and then the healthy ones get sick. And someone here also mentioned everybody running to the market for provisions, which also spreads the disease.

If you don't, then people who are sick are free to roam around, infect others and even travel to other places.

It's a lose-lose situation, at this point.

a reply to: crappiekat

Totally agree just the second event happens after more people are infected because it is only 4 days

or to put it another way 1000 now spreading it or 4000 in 4 days

i think most people will come on a agreed solution as it gets more personal just hope that is not to late.

a reply to: tinker9917
they gave them 13 days but most of them are poor so spend what they earn each day on food and water plus prices have gone up 10%

This pisses me off
if this was occurring in London or New york imo the world would not be behaving like this
but because it's Africa...
Ignoring our fellow man could finally be our undoing.

Isolating the virus without treatment will not contain it.

Sofi its getting worse by the minute now i feel the should just quarintine all the sick toghther in one spot they are doing these things outta desperation AND making thigs worse the Virus seems to be adapting to humans w healthy immune system making virus strain alot stronger plus most quarintines have been for a couple of days where the virus can survive up to 21days... a reply to: soficrow

a reply to: marg6043

...they are sweeping the streets picking the sick and those believe to have symptoms and taking them forcibly into treatment centers

What treatment centers?

New clinic key to Sierra Leone's Ebola fight

Red Cross facility near eastern city of Kenema set to admit first patients, relieving pressure on government hospital.

The second Ebola treatment centre to be built from scratch in Sierra Leone is set to admit its first wave of patients this weekend.

...The IFRC hospital will hold 60 patients at full capacity and was built from nothing in three weeks, aiming to take new Ebola cases from the surrounding district.

It will also relieve pressure on the now infamous Kenema government hospital where remaining staff continue to treat patients in the same wards where up to 30 doctors and nurses have been infected and died since the start of the outbreak.

...But they are only prepared for an initial admission of 40 patients and it will not be an easy start.

...This treatment facility is modelled on Sierra Leone's original treatment centre, built by Médecins Sans Frontières in June in the remote epidemic epicentre of Kailahun.

Patients were being driven 12 hours from Freetown to the MSF centre but Kenema's opening and a third site under construction in nearby Bo are intended to alleviate the strain.

..."We need more beds and there are still not enough treatment facilities to cope with the patient-load," said Saarikoski.

a reply to: frugal

...I know what the farmers and governments do when they get swine flu in the pigs and mad cow disease In the cows. They have to exterminate them so more animals and humans don't become ill. In humans we are acting caring and humanly towards the sick, enabling more people to becoming sick. The solutions are more complicated due to our ethics and morals.

Erm. Animals are already "contained," crammed together and infecting each other in factory farms. There's no choice but to "exterminate" them all - and it's possible to burn the barn or disinfect it. And fyi - it's exactly that containment that promoted H1N1 swine flu's evolvolution in a factory farm in Wisconsin in 1998.

...Except for jails, hospitals, cruise ships and concentration camps, people are not 'contained' in the same way, and the same solutions are not possible. Quarantine doesn't work for human diseases. Only for already confined animals in defined enclosures (and people who are treated like animals).


PS. If you think Mad Cow disease has been "contained," you're not well-informed.

It's only spreading because they're so backwards and think medical assistance is bad juju.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Your sources? Links? Research? ...Or is that just your "opinion," based on a gut reaction to populist headlines and a few scientifically illiterate reporters' ill-informed opinions?

Do you know that historically, Ebola is mainly a hospital-acquired infection? Have you ever wondered why patients would want hospital care when there is no treatment - and no food or water or beds in hospitals? Have you considered the fact that there are nowhere near enough hospitals, clinics or treatment centers? ....That people are dying on the ground outside the locked doors of the few hospitals there are?

....And speaking of bad juju - What percentage of the ATS membership do YOU think will be lining up for vaccines and starvation I mean quarantine?

a reply to: soficrow

I said "treatment" centers sofi, but you know that in that area of the world, treatment is either confinement in the homes or mass tents areas where the sick and the healthy gets to mingle together with "treatment" been the last thing they are getting.

a reply to: soficrow

cause of this,,,

Biological Hazard in Kenya

"Bomet residents have been warned against consuming dead animals'"
in the wild.

There hungry,, its what some have always done,,,

only the cattle have ANTHRAX.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: soficrow

I said "treatment" centers sofi, but you know that in that area of the world, treatment is either confinement in the homes or mass tents areas where the sick and the healthy gets to mingle together with "treatment" been the last thing they are getting.

But there aren't even mass tents marg. There's nothing. No doctors, no shade, no nada.

a reply to: BobAthome

The real problem now -and since last December- is human-to-human transmission. No animals involved in pushing this epidemic out-of-control. ...Funny how biology works, eh?

a reply to: soficrow

Perhaps no right now, but they are going to get them once the US troops gets to the area, I believe you did an update on this already on another thread, so I am late on the latest.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Your sources? Links? Research? ...Or is that just your "opinion," based on a gut reaction to populist headlines and a few scientifically illiterate reporters' ill-informed opinions?

Do you know that historically, Ebola is mainly a hospital-acquired infection? Have you ever wondered why patients would want hospital care when there is no treatment - and no food or water or beds in hospitals? Have you considered the fact that there are nowhere near enough hospitals, clinics or treatment centers? ....That people are dying on the ground outside the locked doors of the few hospitals there are?

....And speaking of bad juju - What percentage of the ATS membership do YOU think will be lining up for vaccines and starvation I mean quarantine?

I reserve that sort of thing for my professional research and my colleagues, for whom it actually matters - not for ATS. I don't live in a place where ebola would or could ever be a big issue, so I can finally sit back and laugh at the idiot, backwards Africans for killing medical staff and shaking their medicine sticks in fear.

It's well known flues spread much more during winter months because people are indoors more often, where pathogens - such as viruses - can spread more readily. Perhaps by enforcing people to stay at their homes it achieved the same effect.

Quarantining only really works if you prevent an infected individual from having exposure to others. If you do not know who's infected and/or you cannot afford to quarantine individuals - thus preventing exposure to others - then it does seem to me by forcing people to stay home you're just going to make it worse.

They say the important thing to preventing catching the flu is to wash your hands frequently during flu season and to not get into the habit of scratching your eyes or nose with your fingers. Another piece of advice they give is for people who DO have the flu to cover their face in their arm when they cough or sneeze, or at least in a direction away from others. So perhaps something similar can be used in the Ebola case: Simple but effective measures to reduce its transmission.

It's very bad to hear all this. We live in a wolrd that can turn dangerous. Always seem to be reminded without fail. Even a drive to town or work can be fatal, but that's a picnic compared to all out thermonuclear war or a large asteroid striking Earth. In one case, chances are good you'll be ok. In the other? Not as good. In the case of a large asteroid impacting Earth, most of us would probably die. And the mega nightmare is a outbreak that spreads across the globe and kills tens or hundreds of millions or more? God forbid I or anybody even imagines it. Nothing says it can't happen, though.

We've all heard horror stories. One of them I read about lately was the Aid's epidemic in the 80's in Africa. It was also accompanied (can you believe it) by genocide and rapes (some of them the result of thinking raping virgins would cure them of Aids).

I wish for peaceful Earth. If I could I'd eliminate death and all suffering and chaos. Death would be a choice. However, for whatever reason, in at least this universe, these things are integrally tied into it. If there's a God I'd like to approach him or her or it and ask Why do you let this go on? Are the good moments worth so much it's ok? That I can understand to an extent, but it depends on my state of mind.

a reply to: marg6043

They won't get enough, fast enough. Takes time to build - and then there's the staffing problem. Doctors Without Borders (MSF) recommends using existing structures like stadiums and schools, and focusing on patient care. ....Sounds like the best plan to me.

[Why waste time and money building temporary treatment centers that won't open before it's too late to do real good?]

a reply to: jonnywhite

...Quarantining only really works if you prevent an infected individual from having exposure to others. If you do not know who's infected and/or you cannot afford to quarantine individuals - thus preventing exposure to others - then it does seem to me by forcing people to stay home you're just going to make it worse.

...A lot of people think "isolation" and "quarantine" mean the same thing - but disease control specialists distinguish between them. ..."isolation" means quarantining infected individuals, which is necessary - but "quarantine" usually refers to "MASS quarantine," which doesn't work and as you say, makes it worse.


ETA: RE: "It's well known flues spread much more during winter months because people are indoors more often, where pathogens - such as viruses - can spread more readily." ....Another case of "popular wisdom" being wrong:

Influenza Virus Transmission Is Dependent on Relative Humidity and Temperature

....Although seasonality is one of the most familiar features of influenza, it is also one of the least understood. Indoor crowding during cold weather, seasonal fluctuations in host immune responses, and environmental factors, including relative humidity, temperature, and UV radiation have all been suggested to account for this phenomenon, but none of these hypotheses has been tested directly.

....Our data implicate low relative humidities produced by indoor heating and cold temperatures as features of winter that favor influenza virus spread.

that entire area has been sealed off for the last month or more so not sure where they are getting their info from.

maybe they have placed some street cams?

Did you see the media create a news article of a man with ebola recently? I was aghast at the BS.

They can't get into those areas so now can only speculate/create fake footage to show the world what is going on.

the footage I saw was so embarrassing....how stupid do they think the public are?

I will try to find the video and you can see for yourselves how bloody ridiculous/fake it is.

too easy to set up a shanty looking slum... get some 'black' People to act/flail about in the final stages of ebola... pfffft

final stages of ebola do not look like that.

what a facade. Truth is, People won't see what is actually happening there because it is in lockdown.