We don't need jobs, stop believing this lie

originally posted by: stardust22
a reply to: superluminal11

Fantastic video, thank you for sharing that. I completely agree...however, and this may be a personal issue of semantics...I don't necessarily agree with his use of the word "culture"....but I think he means our culture as it is today, not culture as a whole, so that's okay.

No if you listen to more of his work you understand that he means culture period.

What he's saying is essentially tap into your own imagination and create your own culture for yourself.

Food for thought...

What do you (whoever is reading this) think of money? Do you think it's important? Worth something? Necessary? Thoughts, please?

In my opinion, money is just another form of control, made to dictate our lives. It's meaningless pieces of metal and paper, numbers on a screen, that dictate our entire lives (house, food, water - which are your basic rights as a human being, which are being sold to you...think about it). I know a lot of people aren't keen on bartering...but this is purely my opinion. I know I would do what I love doing - writing, philosophy, gardening, making art, cooking etc without anyone needing to offer me anything for it. But I would also be open to bartering, as I believe that money is worth nothing...however, something that took actual work and effort to make/create/do is worth a lot. For example, say onequestion wanted a giant cake, I'd be more than happy to make one...but if onequestion was open to it, perhaps I could be taught a couple of things about boxing in exchange. Or whatever. We are not limited to the ideals thrust upon us by our society at present.

a reply to: onequestion

Oh, okay. Interesting. With some more thought, I see the point in that. At brief thought, I was thinking about what of all the incredible art, for example, cultures have. However, with more thought, I see that the art was created by its maker, not the culture. If anything the art etc made the culture, not the other way around. - that made sense in my head...feel free to call me out on it if it doesn't to a different eye.

a reply to: stardust22

Yes exactly. You should youtube Terence McKenna culture he does a few 2 hour long sessions on it.

a reply to: onequestion

Well, I'll be back in a bit then. I'm curious to know your thoughts on the post above my reply by the way

a reply to: onequestion

If we did not have jobs, we would grow our own food and build our own homes, and be free of debt and free to study the word of God and help others in need.

a reply to: stardust22

I think money is a joke. It's am occult symbol and tool for control.


I despise it.

Honestly I'm not sure bartering or money is the answer but I know what we're doing isn't working and I'm open to discussion.

a reply to: onequestion

No we don't need jobs. This is one of the biggest distractions used against us. We need to work together and allow technology to replace jobs as a goal for humanity.

100% OQ. Social projections on technology from the 60s held this as the trend. However this liberal projection failed to take into account the steadfastness and limited visionary scope of those who had already been most successful in the boss/worker paradigm. They continue on their merry way to riches because, you know, they are sooo superior. The authoritative patriarchal mentality. Alas,

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: onequestion

No we don't need jobs. This is one of the biggest distractions used against us. We need to work together and allow technology to replace jobs as a goal for humanity.

100% OQ. Social projections on technology from the 60s held this as the trend. However this liberal projection failed to take into account the steadfastness and limited visionary scope of those who had already been most successful in the boss/worker paradigm. They continue on their merry way to riches because, you know, they are sooo superior. The authoritative patriarchal mentality. Alas,

We'll said I'll be awaiting responses from the nay Sayers to your post.

a reply to: onequestion

I personally don't mind jobs, sadly however we aren't in the Star Trek universe.

Alot of the jobs are all based on being limited to economics and sales, instead of just plain survival, or technological evolution for that matter. It not like passing hunting/gathering skills to a younger generation for insurance, and the arcane arts are kind of limited. Also, the fact the industry at least 100 years old, and newer technology outshining older, crude, but cheaper and reliable tech. And that everyone has a high school diploma these days doesn't make it any easier.

Thing is, you gotta try to find something you'd like or love to do, and that's at least worth because you'll hate it anyway. No one wants to be a watch maker these days.

a reply to: onequestion
Suppose we were cops, would this mean "we don't need no stinking badges?"

This blog post, which I read, I don't know maybe 5 years ago, is the very first thing that came to mind when I read the title of this thread. Written by a guy who is definitely very spiritually aware:

www.stevepavlina.com...

I don't think this is exactly what you had in mind with the OP, because what is being argued in that article is not that work itself, and financial reward, have no place but rather, can be accomplished under circumstances that are much more supportive of personal freedom and empowerment, as opposed to the often divisive, competitive, numbing experience of work that many people have with their day jobs.

Yes, we now have the technology to build robots that is self-maintaining, self-regulating, even reproduce itself -WITHOUT AI (to avoid the danger of robots turning against us and avoid the complications of dealing with an artificial sentient (self-aware/conscious) being.

It can feasibly create food, clean our cities, build houses, cars, maintain security, etc, etc, - ALL FOR FREE!!

You don't don't have to pay for something that can reproduce and repair itself AND IS NOT CONSCIOUS.


It's my job in the office to automate tasks in the computer including the creation of reports and complex analysis tasks - usually performed by engineers and business analysts. I was guilty of killing jobs at our work place because now, it takes much less man power and skills to actually perform complex analytical tasks.

I am also updated in our level of robotics technology. So I know we can build something complex and looks intelligent but doesn't have to use AI. Something that can serve man for free.

I have visited a remote village in another country where they subsist on food they grew on their own, and are almost totally independent as far as goods.

One thing I have observed from watching them is that life takes a lot of work. It is not easy to support a life. Everyday they get early in the morning and work. Gathering plants and stuff to feed the bulls and other animals, tending the fields, gathering food, making food, getting water, working on their houses, etc. I guess they have their down time too, but basically everyone worked.

I think nowadays clever people have just learned to get others to do the work for them.

I think even with technology there will still be plenty of work that needs doing, but maybe not as much.

a reply to: onequestion

Earning your way in life has been around since the dawn of man. This OP is putting forward the Progressive pipe dream utopia that in reality is nothing more than a lie. I would much rather earn my way than let others take care of me like a child.



Progressives want people to become helpless and weak by sitting around doing nothing. Think I am crazy look at the Black culture and ask yourself why is it so messes up........Progressive conditioning since birth. It started with the death of Mr. King and picked up speed in the 1980s. Many young people from every culture are starting to buy into this crap and that is why we see the younger generations not leaving the nest anymore.


Bottom line anyone who thinks life is free is young and foolish because anyone who has lived some years knows better.

Although I see your point, Unless you can get billions of people onto your plan , it's futile.
Currently, nobody would give up working, because they need to. You might think you're a slave to your employer, but consider you also hire slaves yourself. If you go out to eat, those working in the place are slaving over preparing your meal and serving it. You take a bus ride , again more slaves involved in putting the transportation together. We are all slaves, when you really think about it. I pay my electric bill, but I most certainly didn't do all the wiring, or maintain it, or go out in storms fixing it when it fails. Other people did. They are my slaves! So we all are contributing. Of course I don't really mean people are my slaves. I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.

a reply to: nOraKat

So life is a big pyramid scheme? I'm not saying that's wrong, just wondering if that's how you see it. That's not really life, that's just society. I live in the 'west' and see it that way. There are retarded leaders at the top that couldn't survive in their backyard, and then there are people that do stupid jobs and keep mister top pyramid man alive.
I just think it's funny that people think that this is new. It has been getting worse though. The top of the pyramid gets a little more pathetic while the bottom guys just keep figuring out how to survive. We're going to be stuck with retards at the top that don't know anything and the smart people just getting by. When the world comes crashing down, the stupid pyramid sitters are going to be in their bunkers. It will take a few years before they come out for their saviours that actually know things or any kind of survival skills. And still the pyramid sitters will be on top licking ass and ice cream.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: OptimusCrime

If people stop seeing things as separate from themselves including the concepts of life and death then work will cease to exist.

Work will become life and humanity, the earth and people will want to help you achieve your goals because your goals are theirs.

Seeing things as whole with the dissolving of boundaries and extending our understanding of self to that of the whole.

Seems like you have read Alan Watts's books ) very good! I do agree. Cheers

Great. When the rent comes due, I'll turn to my landlord and inform him that I don't need a job anymore. lol When my husband is hungry and it's supper time, it won't be pretty!

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: OptimusCrime

If people stop seeing things as separate from themselves including the concepts of life and death then work will cease to exist.

Work will become life and humanity, the earth and people will want to help you achieve your goals because your goals are theirs.

Seeing things as whole with the dissolving of boundaries and extending our understanding of self to that of the whole.

Dude...I understand where you are coming from, but in truth...it isn't possible. At least not with a government in place. Property taxes, and taxes in general. We are required to pay just to live and breathe. Well...at least if we want shelter, use of the roads, etc. And on top of that, as an example...if you grow your own tobacco and smoke it...in PA you owe the state $13.50 per carton. Just for growing a plant.

Once you tear down the government, both federal and state...lets talk. I'm all in favor of the barter system and no government involvement in our lives. But until you do these things...you will become a criminal.