Elizabeth Warren: The People's Champion

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

It's a shame that you call people 'trolls' for simply not agreeing with you.

As for Warren. You can't run a rodeo with a one trick pony. Nor can you, in your words, 'run a country' by 'championing' a single issue.

As others have stated, she isn't the only politician that says one thing, while doing another, either in the past, present, or future.

They all say the same thing when they are running for office but once they get into office they do whatever they are told to do by those at the top.

Sal

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

a reply to: 2ndthought

It's a shame that you call people 'trolls' for simply not agreeing with you.

Disagreeing with me is fine.

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This woman is clearly NOT an idiot, dumb bimbo, or boob.
She is fighting for Working Americans. I don't agree with ALL of her platform - I am anti-war, pro-recreational pot, and anti-big Ag. I am NOT "Elizabeth Warren" - I just wanted to talk about her approach to re-enfranchising the middle class.
She wants to bring the big banks to task, to eliminate lobbying, and to stop rampant plutocracy. So do I.

Others complained "she offered no solution". Well - seems to me she's poised to start offering solutions. Did she bash the Republicans as non-actors, as belligerent obstructionist filibuster whiners? YES, she did. I didn't mention that at all - yet the conservative membership of ATS attacked her just for being a "Progressive."

I also don't care about her mistakenly claiming Native American status (and apparently she was unaware that it was a family myth or even that she had been counted as a "minority" at Harvard without her knowledge). So big deal. My dad always told us if we lived in Russia we'd be royals - which is what his older relatives (who came here from Prussia) told HIM. My moms' family claimed to have sailed in with William Penn on HIS ship, and that General Sherman was related to us - neither of which is true.

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THAT is a shame.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well it's not like she offered anything new and Earthshaking.

Actually, the Lobby/Money issues are old hat.

Like I said, she was campaigning in that interview, not offering anything that will change the world as we know it.

Since probably at least 95% of anybody with any political knowledge already agrees that Lobbying is a big problem.

I bet there's even Lobbyists that Lobby to keep Lobbying legal.

a reply to: Granite

Alex Jones's "The Obama Deception"

I did watch "The Obama Deception" four years ago. It was alarming. Since then I've realized that Alex Jones is an alarmist. So - he succeeded in alarming me, and thousands of others. Whoopie for him. Job "well done."

a reply to: xuenchen

Since probably at least 95% of anybody with any political knowledge already agrees that Lobbying is a big problem.

Oh...so NOW you concede that she made some good points. LOL!! Reminds me of the "everybody knows that 15 minutes can save you 15% or more on car insurance....." and my retort would be: "Well, did you know that Progressives DON'T want to destroy the country?"

Thanks for that, belatedness notwithstanding. I appreciate it, and I mean that sincerely.

a reply to: xuenchen

she was campaigning in that interview

She is NOT up for re-election this term. Or, if she is, there is no mention of her on the Massachusetts ballot page....I may very well be mistaken.

But she IS on a book-promotion tour.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: xuenchen

She is NOT up for re-election this term.
But she IS on a book-promotion tour.

Well the book promotion is part of it.

But she IS campaigning for other candidates in general.

That's what Federal politicians do. They follow committee scripts.

Obama is campaigning like a madman and he's not up for re-election either.



Added after your edits....

She was just elected in 2012.

You know U.S. Senators serve 6 year terms.

a reply to: xuenchen

That's what I thought. She is NOT up for re-election.
Thanks.

Since probably at least 95% of anybody with any political knowledge already agrees that Lobbying is a big problem.

And can you show me any Republicans that are campaigning AGAINST lobbying?

You mentioned Middle-Libertarians. There are Libertarian values that I appreciate as well.
Especially the non-interventionist part regarding foreign policy.

Our friend AugustusMasonicus has encouraged me (after getting to know me a little) to "join the Libertarians". So - xuenchen, now that I have admitted some Libertarian-leaning opinions - does your knee-jerk reaction to me change any little bit at all?

I've also admitted that Obama failed to live up to his word. I suspect that Warren won't run because she sees what happens to those who want to "be in charge". And I know I would not. Being appointed as POTUS is a death sentence - of the spirit, of earnestness, and idealism...

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Pardon me, but you said she oozes intelligence from every pore. I disagree. Your own examples in the post i am replying to, shows some of those pores, wells of intelligence mind you, are clogged.

Besides, you want someone in office, that may make a potential presidential run, that would defend violations of the Geneva Conventions by other nations? Why?

We already know what she says. She offers lip service, and nothing new.

a reply to: Aazadan

You bring up some good suggestions in this post.
You would have my vote.
I agree with creating disincentives to where politicians cannot be bought.
As you say term limits just allow them to have a cozy spot in a corporation after they are done working for the industry on the inside.

a reply to: marg6043

That is very discouraging. We dont need another wall street puppet, not that she is running though. The Big Business and Banking types have already shown more than enough that they have no problem spending other peoples money and government to prop up their favored cronies.

We need someone from the working or middle class to run and not backed by corporations and banks

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well it's not like she offered anything new and Earthshaking.

Actually, the Lobby/Money issues are old hat.

Like I said, she was campaigning in that interview, not offering anything that will change the world as we know it.

Since probably at least 95% of anybody with any political knowledge already agrees that Lobbying is a big problem.

I bet there's even Lobbyists that Lobby to keep Lobbying legal.

I would not be surprised if the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists, lobby to curtail or end Freedom of Speech since so many people are becoming more politically involved.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Our friend AugustusMasonicus has encouraged me (after getting to know me a little) to "join the Libertarians".

I think it would be the only party my favorite Founder, Mr. Jefferson, would approve of. The rest would most likely send him into a homicidal rampage.

Personal liberty, what a concept...

Especially for a mainstream politician, she really is a breath of fresh air.

My friend invited me to a "Ready for Warren" campaign rally here in NY last week. It was interesting to see a bunch of "liberals" talk about getting her to run.

However, I said (to their chagrin) that given the current state of the Democratic party, with it being aligned with the military-industrial complex, she will not be given the spot to run.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
This morning I watched her interview with Bill Moyers, and every single thing she said makes absolute sense.

I honestly don't understand how ANYONE could demean or bash her - her intelligence oozes from every pore, and her points are absolutely the TRUTH. This country WILL go down the toilet if the things she stands for do not happen.

You all can call her an "airhead" or a ditz or a liar or out of touch or whatever you like, but THIS WOMAN makes more sense regarding domestic and economic issues that any other human on Capitol Hill.

Elizabeth Warren on Fighting Back Against Wall St. Giants

“Today the game is rigged – rigged to work for those who have money and power… The optimism that defines us as a people has been beaten and bruised. It doesn’t have to be this way.”

...Sen. Warren talks to Bill this week about the problems facing middle-class Americans. “Washington works for those who can hire armies of lobbyists, armies of lawyers, and get just the rules they want. It doesn’t work so well for American families,” Sen. Warren tells Bill.

“The only chance we’ve got is if those families will turn back to their government and say, ‘I demand that you work for me, not for the billionaires, not for the millionaires. That you work for me.’”

Now, fellow ATSers, even if the very word "Progressive" makes you shudder and cringe (which I think is because you don't really understand what it MEANS, but I can still attempt to shed some light on it - even if you bash, ignore, flame, or lolz me) - PLEASE watch this interview.

Tell me ONE POINT she makes in this video interview that is "airheaded nonsense". I don't want to talk about any of her past - just about what she SAYS IN THIS INTERVIEW. If her voice is not heard on Capitol Hill, or in Town Hall Meetings and pre-election rallies, we are ALL sunk.

Can you all, please, just leave party lines behind for half an hour and LISTEN to her? Calmly, with your emotional armor on and your kneejerk equipment disengaged...and tell me what is WRONG with her ideas?

She is the kind of person we need to be running this country. No worries - she (wisely) does NOT want to be President, so you can relax - but then, who in their right mind would WANT to be POTUS? The most capable people are NEVER the ones who want to be in power. So, keeping that in mind, I beg you to listen to her, and to think about your own lives, your own concerns, and those of your community neighbors, for just a few minutes.

There are dozens (if not 100s) of articles out there about her right now - simply do a search and you will find plenty regarding her recently. I know there are threads here about her, too, but things are heating up now - as she says, this is the Eleventh Hour - the elections are 8 and a half weeks away. That is it. PLEASE, think carefully - beyond labels, beyond Red/Blue Donkeys/Elephants - and if you still think she's ridiculous, then fine.

You all are smart people - please, make some smart choices (Obama was not one, even though many people hoped he would be). I don't think someone like Warren would A) cowtow to the money or B) flip her stance. (But then again - who can we trust? Surely there's SOMEONE!)
Can you all do that - have an honest look at and open-minded listen to her points? Especially those of you who think you know what Progressives stand for; I open a vein every day that I come on here (and to the internet in general) - I force myself to read opinions and articles and news pieces that I expect to disagree with - just to ensure I am not ignorant of the issues and various platforms. Can you do the same for the sake of honest, intelligent debate?

I decided I'd like to find out! I'd be very interested to hear back from anyone who is 'surprised' by what she says, having expected something different - and discovers their ideas of what "Progressive" means were/are not, well, accurate.
Thanks.

Buzzy

Seriously, you right wingers need to stop being brainwashed into calling anybody who fights for labor rights or calls out big money "marxists."

THAT Is a tried and true manipulation/propaganda technique BY big business and the military-industrial complex for a century now.

Fox News is that you?! Good to see you've joined ATS

originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

She is still a hack piece if she doesn't expose the Central Banking Oligarchs.

She can blame wallstreet all she wants but the Federal Reserve is where the true power lies.

THis is more Marxists type rhetoric to further demonize the free market for destablization in order to push their Socialist Marxists agenda.

Now u know why the Central Banking Oligarchs love to bankroll Marxists to power. It helps further enslave the country in debt through socialism to the globalists bankers.

originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: marg6043

That is very discouraging. We dont need another wall street puppet, not that she is running though. The Big Business and Banking types have already shown more than enough that they have no problem spending other peoples money and government to prop up their favored cronies.

We need someone from the working or middle class to run and not backed by corporations and banks

Which will require the complete public funding of elections in the US.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

However, I said (to their chagrin) that given the current state of the Democratic party, with it being aligned with the military-industrial complex, she will not be given the spot to run.

Really, are they aligned with that? Well - yeah, I guess some of them are.

Personally, I am against the Military/Industrial Complex.
If she is aligned with that, then....well - so much for my support.

I am very much an anti-interventionist peacenik.

I wish Jesse Ventura was serious about running, actually.

a reply to: jacobe001

Yes is very discouraging that since we have gotten aware that most politicians are nothing but pawns to corporate greed every time a new face shows potential we easily find out what is motivating their rant.

Is no way we can find anybody worth to work for the common worker because most political figures belong in the ultra rich elite group, the reason for this is because if you are not accepted in that group you have not chances to hold any position of power in the nation.

This shows you that we the people have nothing to do on how our leaders are chosen.