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Update 27 aug 2014
A new rebel-sourced map. Note how the offensive towards Severo-Donetsk and Lisichansk seems to have failed. And of course, if this is correct, Mariupol' is about to be surrounded.
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Pro-rebel sources say Mariupol' has been surrounded.
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A large batch of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles. Where and under what circumstances is unclear, but the rebels are claiming that they've advanced on Starobeshevo and defeated a National Guard unit there.
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Photos of a Ukrainian unit hit by Grad fire.
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5th Territorial Btln flees the conflict zone, going all the way back to western Ukraine.
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Saur-Mogila in rebel hands.
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Rebel artillery near Krasnodon.
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The rebels also captured a second Msta-S near Starobeshevo.
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Rebels with a rare high-caliber sniper rifle.
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Ukrainian MinDef published a story about two Ukrainian officers who blew themselves up using handgrenades, rather them be captured, with 12 Russian VDV soldiers. However a Ukrainian volunteer who was released from rebel captivity promptly revealed the story to be a lie, reporting that he saw one of the officers (who blew themselves up) alive and well in rebel hands.
The Ukrainian MinDef promptly deleted the story from their website.
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A Ukrainian volunteer says that the vehicles they're pulling out of storage are in absolutely awful conditions, and that the reason territorial btlns are not getting vehicles because there are no vehicles to give them.
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Putin issued an emergency statement requesting that the rebels create humanitarian corridors for letting the Ukrainian soldiers return to their families.
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Family members of the Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in the conflict zone, have besieged the Ministry of Defense. They're demanding to speak with the Ukrainian MinDef. They're also demanding that vehicles and heavy equipment be provided to the volunteer btlns.
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Putin issued an emergency statement requesting that the rebels create humanitarian corridors for letting the Ukrainian soldiers return to their families.
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: buntalanlucu
While both sides are certainly not squeeky clean, at least the Russians are letting people out:
Putin issued an emergency statement requesting that the rebels create humanitarian corridors for letting the Ukrainian soldiers return to their families.
Said it on another thread but the Ukraine could easily turn into the next Syria, all depends on how big the Russian offensive becomes eg. will they advance beyond the East?
originally posted by: buntalanlucu
the point is , US military should take notes on this war and retrain their military mindset to fight against enemy with near parity of weapon support, instead of focusing on low intensity guerilla conflicts. In the event of war with such enemy, there wont be any helicopter assault landing or medevacs or even low level airsupport since everything will be shot down by MANPADS..
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: buntalanlucu
the point is , US military should take notes on this war and retrain their military mindset to fight against enemy with near parity of weapon support, instead of focusing on low intensity guerilla conflicts. In the event of war with such enemy, there wont be any helicopter assault landing or medevacs or even low level airsupport since everything will be shot down by MANPADS..
You failed to take notice that a lot of the countries the US has been engaged with used Soviet / Russian military equipment. We are familiar with the weapons we would be going up against in an armed conflict with Russia. Secondly you are ignoring the second half of that thought process, which is to say the Russians are not familiar with the US arsenal.
An active war is a hell of a way to learn about capabilities.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: buntalanlucu
Like Russia did in Afghanistan?
Or 2 times in Chechnya?
Russia has not fought a real war since WWII and were getting their asses handed to them, and rightfully so for allying with the Nazis in the first place.
The state of the Russian military is sickening. The top of the line units are being used in Ukraine, and thus far Russia should reconsider its training.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: buntalanlucu
the point is , US military should take notes on this war and retrain their military mindset to fight against enemy with near parity of weapon support, instead of focusing on low intensity guerilla conflicts. In the event of war with such enemy, there wont be any helicopter assault landing or medevacs or even low level airsupport since everything will be shot down by MANPADS..
You failed to take notice that a lot of the countries the US has been engaged with used Soviet / Russian military equipment. We are familiar with the weapons we would be going up against in an armed conflict with Russia. Secondly you are ignoring the second half of that thought process, which is to say the Russians are not familiar with the US arsenal.
An active war is a hell of a way to learn about capabilities.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: buntalanlucu
Like Russia did in Afghanistan?
Or 2 times in Chechnya?
Russia has not fought a real war since WWII and were getting their asses handed to them, and rightfully so for allying with the Nazis in the first place.
The state of the Russian military is sickening. The top of the line units are being used in Ukraine, and thus far Russia should reconsider its training.