Researchers Discover Waves in Arctic Ocean for the 1st Time

Some will still argue that Global Warming is a lie and that what we really are dealing with is Climate Change. While I'm not at liberty to argue either way since I'm not a scientist, this latest news has me concerned. According to the article, scientists are reporting that they are seeing waves in a part of the Arctic Ocean where they've never seen waves before and they are saying that it's due to Global Warming.

The research team, from the University of Washington and the Naval Research Laboratory, used sensors anchored to the seafloor to measure the size of the waves generated. During one particularly strong storm in September 2012, they recorded waves 16 feet high, on average. The biggest single wave in the Beaufort Sea reached a height of about 29 feet, lead researcher Jim Thomson told The Washington Post. The team linked the large Arctic waves to melting -- spurred by climate change -- and high storm winds in the region. "As the Arctic is melting, it's a pretty simple prediction that the additional open water should make waves," Thomson, an oceanographer with the university's Applied Physics Laboratory, said in a statement.

Some argue that the Earth isn't warming and attribute the differences in weather patterns to Climate Change. What if it's both? I read an article a while back where it says that the Earth is warming and that there were a few exceptions where the opposite is happening such as in the US.

So, what says ATS? Are scientists and researchers pulling the wool over our eyes concerning this trend and merely trying to spread fear in order to line their pockets with research money or is there really something to this whole Global Warming/ Climate Change thing?

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Climate change has always and will always happen !
Man made = bs detector explosion

Im what you would call a conservative, a group that typically rejects global warming, but it's hard to argue with more than 7,500 scientists world wide that say global warming does exist. For some reason, people in my group who have no scientific credentials whatsoever feel their opinion from the couch is more valid.

Man made or not it's a valid point, however even if it's not man made, what we as humans do to the environment isn't helping, and if we were more smart with our emissions and waste, we could slow it down significantly or even halt the warming.

Some will argue that cow farts account for more greenhouse gas than automobiles or coal plants; but where do you think the cows come from? It's not unusual for a mid sized beef and dairy farm to pack more than 10,000 cows in a small space. Do you think cows in nature are that populous? And that's just one farm - multiply that by over 4,000 registered dairy farms in the US alone. There are so many cows, that they dont know what to do with all the waste from them. One cow can produce over 400 metric tons of poop in a year. Now multiply that by billions of cattle. They have started making mountains of cow poop, bigger than cities. It works until it rains, and the sewage leaks into the ground and the groundwater.

a reply to: lostbook

Spot man made climate change on this plot of the Earths temperature fluctuations.

a reply to: WP4YT

You made my day, thank-you.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: lostbook

Spot man made climate change on this plot of the Earths temperature fluctuations.

And this is from the same study that image came from. It's more telling when you zoom in.

According to climate etc., the lady who's blog it is (a climatologist) says that 'consensus' of 97%, is a consensus of climatologists who 'think it might, perhaps, could, somehow, be, in part, something do do with humans' not 'its all humans fault' people with agendas have twisted the 'consensus' to suite their own world view.

originally posted by: pikestaff
According to climate etc., the lady who's blog it is (a climatologist) says that 'consensus' of 97%, is a consensus of climatologists who 'think it might, perhaps, could, somehow, be, in part, something do do with humans' not 'its all humans fault' people with agendas have twisted the 'consensus' to suite their own world view.

It's great how when people have a jigsaw piece to fit that doesn't , they cut it or colour it or just force it to fit .
Science is great put sometimes is a work of smoke and mirrors

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: lostbook

Spot man made climate change on this plot of the Earths temperature fluctuations.

Are you ever going to stop posting this chart? You refuse to address this, in various threads:

The entire global warming/climate change debate is too politicized. The health and well-being of our planet goes well beyond liberal or conservative.

The Earth goes through its natural cycles of warming and cooling and there is nothing we can do about that except to migrate as needed.

But science has indicated that CO2 levels are increasing to new highs and if are to be honest with ourselves, we have to recognize that our use of fossil fuels and such have played a part in that problem.

So we are going to have to work together to find a solution and we will have to prepare ourselves by coming to the realization that burning hydrocarbons will become a thing of the past.

originally posted by: WP4YT
There are so many cows, that they dont know what to do with all the waste from them. One cow can produce over 400 metric tons of poop in a year. Now multiply that by billions of cattle. They have started making mountains of cow poop, bigger than cities. It works until it rains, and the sewage leaks into the ground and the groundwater.

We're going to blame it on the cows? I'm still not convinced by the 7500 scientists (sorry) that keep feeding us bull crap (pun intended) but if scientists are going to worry about cows, maybe they should look at all the humans on the planet that fart and poop! I guess the difference is, human waste goes into water treatment plants that then churn out clean water for the same poopers to drink. I say we just put cow poop in the mix.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: lostbook

Spot man made climate change on this plot of the Earths temperature fluctuations.

Can you explain to me how we have temperature readings from 15,000 years ago? Or even explain 1,500 years ago for me...

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Ice core samples, tree rings, and such....there are many ways for them to get that information. Just do a quick googleooo and tada!

Global warming is a reality. There has been consistent contiguous rises in global temperature over the last 160 years, with a preponderance of the rises occurring in the industrial Northern Hemisphere. At the following link there is an interactive which gives a visual representation of 'mean global temperature' (MGT) since 1850.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

It is no coincidence that the greater rises are seen in the Northern Hemisphere, because that is where mass industrialisation took place, and the area of the planet where the greater amount of fossil fuel burning has been ongoing for longer. Man's activities, particularly with regard to fossil fuel burning, could easily be dealt with by the planet's natural systems of absorption, if that was all the planet had to deal with, but it isn't. The planet has to deal with heat from the sun, from interstellar space, and from within its own core.

Of course, heat from the sun and space and the core is far greater than what man has generated, but the context that has to be considered when we factor in our own activities of burning fossil fuels for over 200 years, is that our activities have tipped over the delicate absorption actions the earth employs in managing the heat it has to deal with from other sources.

In and of itself, the extra CO2 generated by fossil fuel burning is not going to hurt the planet, but it is going to affect the environment for oxygen-breathing life forms. So the whole climate change debate is not really about saving the planet, but about how it will affect life forms, especially man.

There is more CO2 in the Northern Hemisphere than there is in the Southern Hemisphere, which shows two things: a) the greater usage and consistent rise in fossil fuel burning in the Northern Hemisphere (where the higher populations are massed, and where the greater industrialisation occurred); and b) that the CO2 in the Northern Hemisphere is not being filtered away from the Northern Hemisphere and assimilated globally.

Weather systems, particularly wind systems, push heat from the equatorial regions, received from the sun and space, both north and south towards their respective poles. The problem for the Northern Hemisphere is the greater concentration of CO2 present which traps the heat from the equator, providing for greater warming in the north than in the south. This why the Arctic ice is melting faster than the Antarctic ice. This mechanism introduces other self-feeding mechanisms that add to the warming.

These other 'self-feeding' mechanisms are now driving the climate change, other than the CO2 in the atmosphere. The release of methane from ocean beds and melting ice sheets is a real cause for concern. While it was just CO2 we had to contend with, we could have altered our activities to reduce and lessen its impact, but now that methane is being released into the atmosphere, the warming will speed up proportionately, releasing ever-greater quantities of methane...the tipping point has been passed, and there is nothing we can do about it. Not that we have done anything about it, we are still burning fossil fuel in ever-greater quantities, and still adding CO2 into the atmosphere.

Even if we stopped burning fossil fuel, the warming will continue unabated for many years to come due to continued methane release.

Methane release brings with it catastrophic consequences for life forms. As methane is released from the continental shelves of land masses, as well as reducing oxygen levels and continually adding to the warming trend, it causes instability in the sea beds and shelves bringing about landslides, generating tsunamis, but ultimately raising ocean and sea levels.

The public cannot say that it was not warned. Over the next 20 or 30 years, climate disruption is going to provide some pretty severe beatings to all life forms, but when it eventually re-settles years into the future, the world is going to look a very different place. What the cost will be eventually can only be speculated, but it will be very high indeed.

a reply to: lostbook

Our Earth moves in cycles or epochs Humanity has little or no control whatsoever as to the occurrence of said cycles. That's mother natures department.

"What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9

Uhm......OP, the title of your thread is:

"Researchers Discover Waves in Arctic Ocean for the 1st Time"

And is untrue. Wrong. Incorrect.

I know that we are suppose to use the same title as the news article we are linking to, but you didn't even do that. The actual title of the news article is:

Researchers Observe Gnarly Waves In Arctic Ocean For First Time

Did you change the title on purpose to try and sensationalize your thread?

You then said this:

According to the article, scientists are reporting that they are seeing waves in a part of the Arctic Ocean where they've never seen waves before and they are saying that it's due to Global Warming.

Which, if anyone bothers to actually click on the link and reads the actual article will find: THAT is NOT true either. That is not what they said.

What they said was THIS:

In a recent study, oceanographers describe how they detected "house-sized waves" in the Arctic Ocean for the first time.

Emphasis mine.

This is one of the problems when discussing this subject: people trying to over sensationalize, cause panic, or fear.

The article was interesting and had very good information in it as it was. It has data in it to give food for thought.

Coming here to ATS and altering what the article said, and misrepresenting what it said is not helping anyone.

originally posted by: WP4YT One cow can produce over 400 metric tons of poop in a year.

Hell, that's over 1 tonne of cow poop from a 1/2 tonne cow each day. Those cows must certainly have an appetite!!