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Jesse Uncensored: MH17 Disaster & the Gaza Crisis

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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 03:55 PM
If you’re keeping up with the news, it may seem like the world is coming to end. I'm speaking out on the latest headlines taking over the nation, including the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and the current turmoil in Gaza. Do you agree or disagree with me?

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:04 PM
Knowing that there has been hostility in that area for a couple of months, "Why wouldn't you fly around that area?'

I couldn't have put it better myself, I am surprised not too many people are asking this question. The scary part is that passenger airlines are still flying over that area to this day.

Another thing that you mentioned that hit the nail on the head was "Wars happen when politicians fail."

Interestingly, when the rest of us fail at something there are severe consequences. Politicians seldom face consequences, and even on those rare occasions when they are held accountable for their actions, it is a slap on the wrist at worst. This is mostly due to the laissez-faire attitude the general populace employs. Unless We The People want change, nothing will ever change.
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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:10 PM
The world is really coming to an end...? Well, I guess doom porn isn't what I'd expect from a guy as intelligent as you, Jesse.'m not worried.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:11 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

Screw alll that I wanna know more about your court case with that dead soldier.
I wanna hear you talk about it not the msm.


posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:12 PM
a reply to: Pistoche

well...what do you expect...?

it costs more money to go around. Profit is sacred.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:18 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

interesting fact is that very few people remember Iranian flight 655 that was downed by US military on July 3rd 1988... about 300 civilians died including 66 children

it was a tragic mistake, so I believe the downing of MH17 was also a tragic mistake done by Russian rebels (unless I am missing something)

I agree, war is a terrible, horrible thing

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:19 PM
World coming to a end ? yes its just a matter of time before someone press the wrong button.

We humans have come up with
to many weapons
to many borders
and to many religions
just a matter of time before we run out of space

And things are heating up more then ever
Those left standing will be those hiding underground

I hope for peace, pancake and space exploration
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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:36 PM
It appears the Middle East and now part of Russia is at war.

Maybe all this talk about world war 3 might not actually be fear mongering. Maybe I am just insane, but I think I hear war drums beating.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:39 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura
Jesse it's great to have you here. I use to love listening to you on the Alex Jones show, all ways opened my eyes.
I just wish I could say I am doing good. I have no life anymore. No family, friends don't care squat about me, have no job, homeless, bored, lonely and feel washed up. I am 49 drug and alcohol free.

It's the lack of skills and the economy that is throttling me all most to death here.
I know you do a lot and I wish there was more like you out there.

Are you going to run for any office soon? I sure hope so.

Anyway back on topic, i truly believe that both these Malaysian flights are related and are the seed to some darker times.

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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:44 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

On the flight path issue, I thought many already knew about this:

Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

(Full Image)

Why is the diversion from the traditional flight path and passage over the highlighted zone a concern? Because as the following map from the WSJ shows this is precisely where the restricted airspace is.

And speaking of flight paths, my understanding is they have now chosen as an alternative to fly over Syria.

MH17: Malaysia Airlines flies over Syria instead of Ukraine

See also, 'It is approved airspace': Malaysia Airlines defends rerouting flight over Syria war zone just days after tragic MH17 crash

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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:53 PM
I was delighted to see some content to respond to from the "Body".
So I watched, nothing hit home off the bat. I figured ok I will go away, come back and see what stands out about this show to respond about from memory.

Well, I can't think of a thing. It was all the same expected sayings, phrases heard from him before over and over. I guess the one thing that stands out is recalling not liking the cut scenes in and out during his commentary.

One other thought, Jesse says he believes the US messes parts of the world up, but then never offers a solution. He just wants to hunker down and stay away. I guess it is ok for him to know there are messed up places that he feels his country is responsible for but is fine with leaving them that way.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:53 PM
a reply to: proob4

Try not to sound so glum, im sure you have a load of friends on here, its o different than having people around you because almost anyone I know have their heads in a mobile phone playing some crap game or whatever social media is the flavour of the year. Im otta work too and tink itsonly by being out of work I have fially been able to lift my head and see what the fck is going on in the world. Like the avatar, reminded me of myself when I was younger but wasn't code then but more porn.

Peace and realise we are all in this together so don't forget your loved even when you don't know.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 04:59 PM
a reply to: liteonit6969 Yea sorry i came off as mr doom and gloom. I appreciate your responce too and thanks. I am just way down and feel that I cannot get out of this slump. Thanks for the hand of friendship, aint that what it is all about?

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:00 PM
Yeah, why is Malaysia taking two dizzying hits in a row like that? It makes me wonder if there is something they are not doing or not signing with another country/group/cartel for instance? It has to be pointed at them for a reason.

Gaza is painful to watch, no rather it's horrifying to see that their water mains are blown up, the little ones are killed. I have a question or three about Israel not taking advantage of ground penetrating technologies to discover all the tunnels when it was offered? The article comes from the Times of Israel. The world is playing sick games that kill people.
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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:00 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

With regard to the situation with the downed Malaysian aircraft, I am in full agreement. The issue with Malaysian Airlines is that they run their aircraft on one of the tightest budgetary margins of any airline which flies similar distances, and uses similar aircraft. They rarely fly with enough fuel to accommodate a serious emergency resulting in a significant course change. The harrowing probability, from what I understand having read some threads and looked into press about them over the last little while, is that the flight path used, was selected because it would have been cheaper than an alternative route, around the hot zone.

They are, of course, not the only airline flying paths which take the passenger over contested territory, but they have a bad record when it comes to the lengths to which they will go to save a dollar or pound or two of fuel.

Where the issue with Israel and Gaza is concerned, frankly I am appalled, and although I know that Mr Ventura is a very experienced gentleman in such matters, I disagree with his dismissal of events there, with statements to the effect that war is always terrible. Yes. It is always terrible. But it is not always necessary, and neither is the collateral damage ratio in this conflict.

Simply put, if Israel wants to prevent rocket attacks, it needs to kill the people launching the rockets, and it needs to do it silently, invisibly, and without high explosive smart munitions, tanks, or any person in an IDF uniform. If they were serious about reducing collateral damage, they would have sent some Mossad hit squad after the real culprits, rather than just demolishing entire districts to get at three or four fundamentalist halfwits. Also, it has to be said that the pathetic nature of the attack which Israel has been under from these rockets, is LAUGHABLE! They are utterly puny, unguided, hit nothing more often than not, and are shot down by the Iron Dome system often enough as well!

And that brings me on to ANOTHER issue I have with all this madness. The Iron Dome system could have been perfected to the point where it offered total coverage, and had the capacity to take down EVERY target presented from nukes to pistol rounds, and I believe that the only reason that those modifications have not been made, and that the coverage it offers has not yet been made total, is that if it were fully operational it would remove all Israel's reasons to mistreat its neighbour communities, to bulldoze and steal its land, and do all the other deplorable things it has done to Gaza for so long, not to mention other places around their borders.

Besides which, everything boils down to this. If some bunch of maniacs took over a local building, took hostages, and used them as human shields, then local armed police would NOT be authorised to open fire on that building, and hose it down with a liberal dose of lead. That would surely get innocent people killed, and that is NEVER acceptable. They would be forced to use non lethal means to take down the hostage takers, find more intelligent ways to strike the target, disorient their foes, and smite them in a controlled manner having crept behind their lines.

There is no difference. The Israeli government needs to treat the innocent people between them and their enemy as their brothers and sisters, needs to show more humanity toward its neighbours, and use the most surgical and deliberate tactics to take out the real enemies they face. They would not have killed a third of the people they have, if such care as is necessary to solve anything in the unique tactical environment in the region, was being taken.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:09 PM
a reply to: JesseVentura

I have to ask you this, and I hope I don't offend you. Do you believe in Biblical prophesy?
I have always known to keep my eye on the Middle East, Russia, and the all important China.
The three main religions started there and will end there. I am of the personal opinion that there is a puppet master
behind it all. I believe there are those who are literally trying to make these end time prophecies occur. Want to know what happens next? Read the book.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:25 PM
a reply to: proob4

I know what you mean being in a slump ( sacked from last job after getting a chronic pain in leg CRPS ), so lifes a bit f*ked up at minute but the strong meds help. From what I have learned from taking meds such as strong pain killers and strong anti-depressants (as helps nerve pain) is that they are a great way of getting invisible cuffs on someone, it takes the fight out of you and when you try get off them your bod almost shuts down. Only by having friends online as can talk any time I want I can see the goodness in the world when it seems to be hitting its worst times.

I appreciate Jesses video and agree with a lot of what he is saying but it seems that unless you are preaching to the choir then it usually falls on death ears. Its becoming clear that people don't really care about these issues as they are more worried about surviving to pay bills and get as pissed as possible in order to forget about problems. Everyone needs to wake up and begin listening and talking.

You will get out of this slump and be stronger for it, and unlike many you will appreciate things that people take for granted.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 06:22 PM
a reply to: liteonit6969 Yep it's horrible out there and you are right I do have friends here and many have help the best they could have. Actually one member went above and beyond to help and in all it was only a band aide on a real problem. I seen a another guy today here in saginaw michigan with a card board sign asking for help in my travels looking for work. This is getting bad and the powers that be can only look for war to kill us off with instigating wars and killing people with BS false flags like these air disasters. Watch and see these air disasters will only instigate. Got a bad feeling it is not working out for them and they will try more intensive inner city disasters like building implosions and possible false flag infrastructure terror, personally i think it's gonna be the railways next, In Amerika.

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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 07:00 PM
Most boring Episode yet Jessie. Has Israel paid you, or threatened you? Nick the ugly tie-dye.

posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 07:26 PM
Quite interesting, I was reading Susan Sontag earlier.
Quotes from: Illness as Metaphor and AIDS and Its Metaphors. Penguin Books: 1991.

The taste for worst-case scenarios reflects the need to master fear of what is felt to be uncontrollable. It also expresses an imaginative complicity with disaster. The sense of cultural distress or failure gives rise to the desire for a clean sweep, a tabula rasa. No one wants a plague, of course. But, yes, it would be a chance to begin again - that is very modern, and very American too.
(Sontag, page 173.)

The ability to project events with some accuracy into the future enlarged what power consisted of, because it was a vast new source of instructions about how to deal with the present.
(Sontag, page 175.)

I don't think the world is coming to end because of probably unrelated plane crashes or the Middle East.
I'm not sure they even measure as equal in a significant sense to previous eruptions in the Middle East.
We've probably had worse airplane disasters, even passenger aircraft that were shot down.
I've heard it argued that during the Cold War things were sometimes apocalyptically edgy, but the very fact that both sides were armed with nukes meant they contained any open war (preferring to sponsor rival factions of minions with less earth-shattering weapons in the Second and Third World).
Now, perhaps there may be more open war erupting in some regions, but I still think the rival powers behind them all have nukes and it's still similarly contained.

However, almost every religious group feels oppressed and like their end times are nigh (not very new either).
Oh yeah, and we have a self-proclaimed Caliphate (although we've had all kinds of Islamic leaders claiming a similar significance for their dictatorships before).

No, the world won't end now.
Sure, for people living in war zones worlds will end, but the big picture will keep on turning, supposedly keeping us just safe enough from a sticky end.

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