Vladimir Putin Breaks Silence on MH17 crash

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: spy66

And when the report comes back showing it was a ground based missile that hit the plane what then? This is a smokescreen, nothing more.

In the days to come you will notice the US will changed their focus to something else. Because the Russians have displaied their evidence. The reason the US didnt display theirs is because they knew that Russia would have radar information that would disproove the US claim.

The US claime would have worked if the SU didnt show up on radar.

The NexT on the agenda to take focus away from the US claim is the Black Box information. Its going to be interesting to see what the US do NeXT. The US still have to back up their side of the story With evidence.

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66



interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66







interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

If you read the article, it stated ALL 90 SU-25's received the upgrade to M1.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66



interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

Russia have already displaied radar evidence that a SU appeared right by the signature of MH17.

Can yo Counter prove the evidence that the SU was not there?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

Maybe the pilot's name was SAM

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66



interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.
And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.

"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66



interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.
And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.

"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

Of course the "investigation" will reveal this. It has been the purpose all along. However, what about those pesky satellite images showing Ukranian SAM movements in the area, appearance, movement and disapearance.

You seem to know the outcome of an "investigation" before it conlcludes. That is some awesome super human power you have. Ever applied to the Avengers?

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra



a reply to: spy66















interesting...







where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.







Specs: www.redstar.gr...







Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...







Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

If you read the article, it stated ALL 90 SU-25's received the upgrade to M1.

Then it's a flat out lie, they only have ONE I believe. That's why to think that ONE was there is laughable.
www.ukrinform.ua...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra



a reply to: spy66















interesting...







where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.







Specs: www.redstar.gr...







Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...







Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

If you read the article, it stated ALL 90 SU-25's received the upgrade to M1.

Then it's a flat out lie, they only have ONE I believe. That's why to think that ONE was there is laughable.
www.ukrinform.ua...

It is a factory, that does upgrades, they also upgrade none Ukranian owned planes I would imagine.

How many SU-25's in the world?

And interesting, you CONFIRM they have ONE SU-25M1 capable of REACHING the altitute of the passenger jet. They DO INDEED have the capability. They have the capability, they have the will to do so, and the benefit from doing so.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: spy66



interesting...



where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.



Specs: www.redstar.gr...



Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...



Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.
And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.

"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

That proves nothing. The pro-russians fired a warning shot over their heads because they were not fallowing orders.

That means the investigator broke the investigation agreement agreed upon With the pro-russians. Nothing else.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra



a reply to: spy66







interesting...







where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.







Specs: www.redstar.gr...







Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...







Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.

And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.



"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

That proves nothing. The pro-russians fired a warning shot over their heads because they were not fallowing orders.



That means the investigator broke the investigation agreement agreed upon With the pro-russians. Nothing else.

Haha so they can investigate as long as they only investigate what they are told they can? What orders were they not following? How did they break the agreement?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra



a reply to: spy66















interesting...







where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.







Specs: www.redstar.gr...







Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...







Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

How many do they have? Prove it was there.

If you read the article, it stated ALL 90 SU-25's received the upgrade to M1.

Then it's a flat out lie, they only have ONE I believe. That's why to think that ONE was there is laughable.
www.ukrinform.ua...

7000m = 22965ft. That means even this SU would be able to fly high enought to show up on the radar. The radar used to monitor the flight was on standby and only tracked flight above 16400ft.

The SU showed up on Radar when it passed 16400ft. right by the freefalling Mh17.

The SU can fire its Air to Air missile from a lower altitude than 16400ft and hit MH17 in its flight path.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra



a reply to: spy66







interesting...







where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.







Specs: www.redstar.gr...







Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...







Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.

And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.



"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

That proves nothing. The pro-russians fired a warning shot over their heads because they were not fallowing orders.



That means the investigator broke the investigation agreement agreed upon With the pro-russians. Nothing else.

Haha so they can investigate as long as they only investigate what they are told they can? What orders were they not following? How did they break the agreement?

There is always a pre-plan that is agreed upon on how to conduct a investigation. From what i have heard it was not the investigator who broke the greement, but the Journalists.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra







a reply to: spy66















interesting...















where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.















Specs: www.redstar.gr...















Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...















Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

The investigation will. That is why Rebels fired at crash investigators.



And they are removing wreckage.

Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, said that on the evening the plane went down, a resident brought in the bloodied body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, militiamen came to take away the body away, she said.







"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."

That proves nothing. The pro-russians fired a warning shot over their heads because they were not fallowing orders.







That means the investigator broke the investigation agreement agreed upon With the pro-russians. Nothing else.

Haha so they can investigate as long as they only investigate what they are told they can? What orders were they not following? How did they break the agreement?

There is always a pre-plan that is agreed upon on how to conduct a investigation. From what i have heard it was not the investigator who broke the greement, but the Journalists.

What did he do that required the discharging of a weapon? And if they want the truth why would they disturb the wreckage? None of that is what innocent people do.

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Except for the fact you stated their SU-25's cannot reach the altitute. Their SU-25M1's CAN indeed reach that altitude.

Russia has already given their max ceiling. The Russians were the ones who stated it was an SU-25. Nothing like giving specifics by blaming an aircraft that cannot reach the height in question.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The Upgraded M1 of the Su-25 CAN.

Specs: www.redstar.gr...

Picture: files.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy your facts.

except for the fact it was a sam and not an air to air missile.

Proove it was a SAM.

Prove it was an air to air missile.