Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

a reply to: windword

The thing is, this hasn't been remotely like regulation or mere reform. This is a "public/private" partnership which probably comes closer to a wholesale takeover.

I mean, consider what we have now. We can buy insurance from the state, the Feds, or we can pay the IRS by force of law for not buying it. The first time in history I had to buy something to remain a legal citizen in my own land.

The wrong starts there and just compounds onward. With interest.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

Regulate the snot out of healthcare. If medical supply companies (a wing of health insurance) weren't allowed to charge 300 hundred dollars for a freaking aspirin, people could BUY health care for themselves. Problem solved, government is reduced, corporate power is reduced, women get to be people and bosses don't get to control people with their religious beliefs. Wins all around.

Just the opposite, deregulate health care insurance - right now there are laws that prevent competition and prevent interstate groups forming to lower costs. Right now health care is basically a state wide monopoly of sorts with only a very few companies allowed to compete. Look what happened to telephone costs when that was deregulated. I remember in the 70's when a "long distance" call to another city nearby could cost as much as $1 a minute, I remember when all cell phones charged $2 per minute. Deregulation would help more than more regulation.

Get government out of our veins.

originally posted by: Kali74
Single payer would fix so much wrong associated with health care.
But nooooo...

Yeah, it'd be just like the VA.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I agree. I was for a single payer method. Oh well. Here comes Hillary!

a reply to: neo96

Obamacare is not regulating healthcare, it is guaranteeing more profits for the healthcare industry. I mean it is driving down healthcare costs but not enough that it is affordable to the middle class outside of their employers and imposing a tax penalty for not having insurance? Ridiculous, that's as bad as Hobby Lobby being able to dictate what people do with their healthcare.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I agree. I was for a single payer method. Oh well. Here comes Hillary!

Why ?

Why would anyone support that crap ?

They wouldn't support all the big oil companies forming a super conglomerate.

They wouldn't support all the bankers forming a super conglomerate.

Why is healthcare 'acceptable ?

One place to shop.

The only place to shop.

No where else to go if you don't like the service.

a reply to: grandmakdw

What I basically mean is disallow the price gouging taking place at the supply side. Nothing needs to be sold at 1000% profit.

originally posted by: Kali74
Single payer would fix so much wrong associated with health care.
But nooooo...

Maybe the wizards of wisdom can figure it out.....

It might take $3 trillion or so.

I bet even corporate tax increases won't come close.

National Health Expenditures 2012 Highlights

a reply to: Kali74

Obamacare is not regulating healthcare, it is guaranteeing more profits for the healthcare industry.

No it isn't.

IT is a guarantee new people for the medicaid rolls.

Which people had access to anyways before the GD ACA.

People actually have to have $$ to pay premiums.

They don't, and most people don't.

a reply to: neo96

The windmills are THAT way ---->
I don't support Obamacare... lol

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Kali74
Single payer would fix so much wrong associated with health care.
But nooooo...

Yeah, it'd be just like the VA.

That is what a 'single payer' would look like in this country.

Put on a wait list left to die.

Real life death panels.

And the employees get bonuses for a job 'well done'.

a reply to: neo96

I don't know Neo. I lived in Hawaii for 27 years, where health care was mandated for all employee who worked 20 hour a week or more. I didn't get to shop around, I took what was offered. I never suffered from bad health care.

12 years ago I moved to California for family reasons, and haven't had decent health insurance since. Well, since mid May anyway, when my "Obamacares" kicked in, although I haven't used it yet.

a reply to: xuenchen

So you don't trust a market in the hands of individual buyers?

originally posted by: neo96

And the employees get bonuses for a job 'well done'.

i.e.

more old geezers like me "off'd" this month than last month.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

So you don't trust a market in the hands of individual buyers?

LOL

good deflection.

you are doing well today !!

assumptive deductive tangents are obvious.

Boing Boing

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: buster2010

Yes but it doesn't cover EVERYONE now does it?

WHAT ?

100+million Americans not enough ?

60 million on medicare.
50 million on medicaid.

There are over 314 million Americans. Surely even you can do simple math.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Kali74
Single payer would fix so much wrong associated with health care.
But nooooo...

Yeah, it'd be just like the VA.

That is what a 'single payer' would look like in this country.

Put on a wait list left to die.

Real life death panels.

And the employees get bonuses for a job 'well done'.

Unlike the death panels that the insurance companies have had all along.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Kali74
Single payer would fix so much wrong associated with health care.
But nooooo...

Maybe the wizards of wisdom can figure it out.....

It might take $3 trillion or so.

I bet even corporate tax increases won't come close.

National Health Expenditures 2012 Highlights

$3 trillion? That's about how much we have wasted on the war on terror.

a reply to: buster2010

314 million Americans +30 to 50 million illegals.

100+ million Americans who are on medicare/medicaid that is more than the entire population of that 'fabulous' healthcare in Cuba.

That 100 million Americans on that 'single payer' is more than most EU countries entire populations.

Which leaves 200 some odd million in the private market that has better coverage than that 'single payer' government runs.

Gee add 100 million people in to the private market watch rates decrease.

Loosen regulation WATCH competition increase.

Because the more people competing to bring goods ,and services to market the cheaper the end product is for the consumer.

But government knows best !!

a reply to: buster2010

Unlike the death panels that the insurance companies have had all along.

I do love that willfull LIE.

That is why medicaid was created !

You know for the people who fall in between the cracks the talking point goes.

Saying the US government was denying poor people healthcare ?