Mass shooting at Walmart in Las Vegas

a reply to: Mikeultra

Another article regarding his ideas and perception of himself and our nation.

“The dawn of a new day,” Jerad Miller wrote on his Facebook page Saturday. “May all our coming sacrifices be worth it.”

SOURCE

a reply to: jude11

Nah. As many of us have pointed out when the media makes a big deal of a shooting there is a chain reaction of events. Usually a cluster of 3-5. I think were at 4 (including canada) with the start isla vista.

Point being.. the media causes these flare ups.

We will see increases in events like the one in canada and the most recent one though. Thats on the cops.

originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: amazing
OK, I'll try to put it back. This is just too creepy with all these shootings having connections to the Joker and Batman. Am I wrong to think there's a common theme going on there?

You mean all two?

Mentally disturbed people identifying themselves with mentally disturbed villains...doesn't seem like a common theme in the conspiracy sense, just in messed up people wanting to be like messed up glorified villains.

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

As a matter of curiosity, are there any known cases where a concerned civilian with a carry license actually has taken out a would be "mass shooter"?

Or are they all heroes on forums alone?

The numbers are hard to call reliable but yes, there are many cases where law abiding carrying citizens have stopped violent crime. Unfortunately I don't have any handy, but Google can find them for you. I can say that maybe six months ago a citizen stopped a man from homicide after he purchased a knife and started stabbing folks with it. Another case from around the same time with an off-duty deputy stopping a shooting at a mall or Walmart or something. Yes off-duty LEO, but at that point you're pretty much a citizen.

A YouTube search turned up two videos made by Jerad Miller:

originally posted by: suicideeddie
a reply to: skyblueworld

must of been the Judean People's Front (life of Brian)

QUITTERS.....

Or was it the peoples popular front of judea.

a reply to: Mikeultra

FOX59 obtained a criminal report on Jerad Miller, whose most recent arrest in Indiana was on July 22, 2013 for a house arrest violation. Miller had also been arrested several other times in Indiana, dating back to 2007 on a variety of charges, including criminal recklessness, pointing a firearm, intimidation, possession of marijuana, felony battery and strangulation/battery.

fox59.com...

a reply to: HolgerTheDane2

I posted a link to an article that gave fairly accurate numbers on armed citizens stopping shootings and violence a few pages ago. Let me see if I can get the link again.

Check this whitepaper link (PDF). You will be amazed at the multitude of instances.
White Paper

originally posted by: stirling
I predict here and now that this is going to get much worse.......
Its the inevitable psychological "blowback|" from the idiot social engineering that we have undergone since they discovered advertising and mind control share the same bed....
Artificial mind sets break down over time because they fail to confront reality....eventually the person snaps....
some peacefully, others not so much....

By psychological "blowback", do you mean cognitive dissonance? If so, that's a theory that I've toyed with a bit where some occurrence or even multiple occurrences may have basically shattered the brain mentally through the generation of cognitive dissonance. Basically, viewing something that disrupts their sense of reality to such an extreme that they flounder. I was actually worrying about this potentiality several years ago.

What we have is a perfect storm of a sort. The financial crisis of 2008/9 left a whole lot of Americans, employed or not, a little more towards the side of desperation. Another aspect that seems to be on an uptick is suicide and murder-suicide (spouse and spouse or spouse and entire family). More often than not, financial desperation is the motivation behind these particular types of deaths. For somebody to get pushed so beyond the edge of no return, they have to feel like they have nothing to lose and nothing to live for. In that aspect, I often wonder how many of these kind of events are due to the implosion of the "American Dream".

Other things that come to mind is what occurred with Occupy. A lot of people, whether they agreed with the protests or not, witnessed some pretty scarring things. In schools we learn that we have the freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment but watching Occupy, one saw people getting hit with tear gas, batons, rubber bullets and beanbag rounds across the country. That would be cognitively disruptive for those who saw that and not everybody is capable of overcoming that shock. So, it's really not to say that anybody who viewed that is bound to become a maniac as it is likely those to be mentally weak at the start and a lot of people have an inherent strength within them.

The other factor gets a little strange. There was a lot of reporting and tv shows about the Mayan Apocalypse that was supposed, according to claimants, occur in December of 2012. As many as 1 in 4 believed that the world was going to end. If you have someone who is just shy of suicide expecting that the world is going to end and the world goes--what does that do cognitively? I've seen people talk about how depressed they were that it didn't occur, whether they expected a world end or a new era of change. Again, that would generate some amount of cognitive dissonance. Like the other one, it comes down to a matter of mental strength.

The last one would be increasing internet use across US households. Over the last 10 years, the percentage of households that utilize the internet has steadily increased. Where this comes into play is that the internet provides massive and alternate forms of information. The more people on it, then there is more user-generated content in one form or another. It creates a din of often disparate information. Cognitive dissonance has this neat little trick to it where it leaves the individual scampering and that does not guarantee that they are going to have a more accurate perception of the world. On the contrary, they may actually be more susceptible to other ideas that replace their ideas as they scamper for consonance and the net is filled with a multitude of offerings.

Obviously, not every single shooter is going to fall under this. Eliot Rodger is a perfect example of that as he was simply a spoiled little brat sociopath who wanted the world to recognize his monstrosity. However, the above are the things that would produce a whole lot of cognitive dissonance within a population, especially when, like you said you've got people trying to stir things up. How many times have people seen somebody talking about a revolution on the internet? That creates a confirmation bias which somebody who is in the throes of cognitive dissonance may adopt.

That's what I see. It's not just advertising and social engineering--it's the entire environment. I think that's why they do have a hate on for all of us. Society as a whole becomes viewed as part of the problem they perceive.

I feel so bad for the victims' families. The victim in the Walmart, Joseph Wilcox, was trying to stop what was the male shooter and didn't realize that the female was one as well. He's a hero in my book for trying to save others in his community.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I see they found a perfect photo for the whole crazy eyes look. Miller definitely has the crazy eyes. Did you see this one that has been dug up? It has a video of Jerad Miller as the Joker, running for president.

heavy.com...

And she was just as whacked:

heavy.com...

originally posted by: rockflier
a reply to: HolgerTheDane2

I posted a link to an article that gave fairly accurate numbers on armed citizens stopping shootings and violence a few pages ago. Let me see if I can get the link again.

Check this whitepaper link (PDF). You will be amazed at the multitude of instances.
White Paper

Thank you very much. It is hard to keep up the reading of postings while trying to eat and compose your own question.

Much appreciated.

Also thanks to UnMitigatedDisaster.

originally posted by: rockflier
a reply to: Mikeultra

Another article regarding his ideas and perception of himself and our nation.

“The dawn of a new day,” Jerad Miller wrote on his Facebook page Saturday. “May all our coming sacrifices be worth it.”

SOURCE

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Also from that link:

Reached this morning by Hatewatch with the news, [Richard] Mack professed shock. “Oh, no,” he said. “I was afraid that he might have been at the Bundy ranch. As soon as I heard about it, I was afraid of that.”

Apparently, even the leaders of the Patriot movement know that some of their people are potentially violent and/or mentally unbalanced.

Relating to my prior post, I spotted this on Jerad Miller's facebook, posted on January 23, 2012.

[quote]Can you protest in the united states? Apparently congress is passing laws against our very rights to do so. You have seen the videos of students getting pepper sprayed, you have seen the videos of cops beating students at peacefull rallys. Hillary clinton and Barrak obama gave advice to other leaders not to take violent action against its protesters yet our goverment does it. Americans will not take this for much longer. No wonder the government want to take the right to bear arms away from us. They are scared as they should be.

So yeah, he was watching Occupy and what was going on there. Made numerous posts about that as well as posting about a bill affecting the First Amendment. It's hard to say, in part because his page is slow in loading for 2011 and prior, but from what is loaded, it seems like he took a turn from talking about his trying to move forward from the drug arrests, personal stuff and playing facebook games until early 2012.
www.facebook.com...

And, oddly enough, Amanda Miller actually made more negative commentary towards society as a whole than he did. Amanda like sewing, crafting and had some serious anger and hate issues. I've lost count of the number of times where she's made subtle blanket threats. Nice lady--NOT. I'm not surprised at all that she was the one that shot Wilcox when he tried stopping Jerad.
www.facebook.com...

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
It has a video of Jerad Miller as the Joker, running for president.

He would actually fit right in Washington.

Sad but true...

a reply to: Murgatroid

Actually the whole Joker thing is kind of painfully ironic in this case.

Here's Jerad Miller's response posted on July 25, 2012 to the Century Theater Shooting by James Holmes, another would-be "Joker":

alright people, wake up. batman shooting, gun control. anyone forget there was someone who let him in the theater after getting a phone call? or how about a uneployed college student has 5 grand to buy all these guns in 2 to 4 months? how does a student know how to make better bombs than some navy seal teams? to buy into there system of exploatating violence as reason for gun control. only reason we havent seen UN troops on out soil telling us how to live our lives is because of the amount of gun ownership in america. if i had carry and conceal, and i was in that theater, i would have killed him.

www.facebook.com...

The Joker photo looks to be something about where he was working. There's a remark about him dressing up as Batman previously for a contract on his wife's account but that the suit was too hot though he chose to wear that instead and make that video (obviously). I think the Joker gets play because he represents internal chaos. The Joker wasn't a puppet either, you know...

They both also attended the Million Mask March apparently based on photos from her facebook as another tidbit. Jerad made multiple statements about shooting as well including school shootings so that Columbine bit might be getting malformed by the media. It doesn't jibe with his statements on facebook about school shootings.

Are we sure the civilian was killed by the couple and not by thw police trying to shoot the couple?

Why ruin your very obvious agenda by popping a civilian. They put a swastika and notes on the cops bodies.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

According to the information we have locally, and this one from CNN, the civilian casualty had a CCW and was going to stop the perp. He did not realize the female was involved and she was the one that shot him while he was trying to stop the male. This was long before LEOs arrived.

A shopper, identified as Joseph Wilcox, told his friend he was going to confront the suspects.
"He was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.
He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."
Wilcox, 31, "died attempting to protect others," Gillespie said.

CNN SOURCE

a reply to: opethPA


Not the revolution I had in mind or imagined ? Sounds more like a isolated incident with a deranged couple likev a scene out of Natural Born Killers. Ok cops i get it people hate cops but some random shopper in isle 9 ?

Just giving the liberal media a boogie man and gun control nazis more ammo. Mental illness runs rampant and goes ignored still. Nothing revolutionary here just more of the same ol same ol.

originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: rockflier
I know you are from the area and long before the boom began out there, so it may have been a friendlier town back then. I lived there for a very brief time (18 months in 2007-2008). In my apartment complex I found that if I said hello to neighbors coming or going, getting the mail, or in the parking lot, I would get a blank stare and no response at all. I came to the conclusion that there was just too many people from all over the country and there was no sense of community.

So I find it hard to believe that these two suspects were chatting up all their new neighbors about all their beliefs and doom plans... It's just not realistic especially from what I have witnessed while there. The only good thing I can say about Las Vegas is Lake Mead, and that's disappearing fast.

You are grasping at so many straws it isn't even funny anymore.

Now you are appearing just butthurt that two conspiracy freaks, much like you are coming off as, went too far with their delusions and meth cocktails.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
Are we sure the civilian was killed by the couple and not by thw police trying to shoot the couple?

Why ruin your very obvious agenda by popping a civilian. They put a swastika and notes on the cops bodies.

The civilian drew his gun on the male who entered first spouting off his crazy stuff with a gun in hand as witnesses said, not knowing the female was with him. The female must have just walked up and blasted, like she did to the cop at the soda fountain a few minutes earlier.