Homosexual Conversion Therapy

The whole idea of "Conversion Therapy" is based on the premise that homosexuality is a choice. As in, at some point in your life, you chose to be attracted to the same sex.

A good question to ask people who believe this is "Well, at what point in your life did you decide to be straight?" This usually catches most of them off guard and the answer is inevitably that they didn't, they were just born that way. The light bulb usually goes off for them at that point.

a reply to: undo

I don't see it as unalterably or unarguably binary.

All the better research indicates that sexuality is a continuum from exclusively one to exclusively the other.

Similarly . . . ORIGINS of the sexuality factors appears to be essentially

a 2-3 continuums . . .

1. genetics . . . how many and which genetic factors contribute HOW MUCH toward which end of the sexuality continuum . . .

2. hormonal factors . . . how many and which hormonal factors contribute HOW MUCH toward which end of the sexuality continuum . . .

3. behavioral, relational, environmental factors . . . how many and which hormonal factors contribute HOW MUCH toward which end of the sexuality continuum . . .

There's not much EITHER/OR involved, . . . imho and according to the research.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: openyourmind1262
Homosexuals are not born gay. I will admit that men can be born a bit more feminine and a woman a bit more masculine but that in no way implies they were born gay.

A gratuitous assumption, which by the laws of logic can be gratuitously denied.

Masculinity and femininity has nothing to do with sexuality. I know some incredibly feminine women and some incredibly masculine men that are gay. I also know some incredibly feminine men and masculine women that are straight.

Next argument please.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: amazing

WRONG.

1. This is my profession with a PhD in clinical psychology. My PhD program was rife with Tavistock trainers--that is trainers who trained the leading--top bosses and leading Tavistock consultants. They were master "change agents" in terms of organizations and even political change.

2. I KNOW the degree of propagandizing within the profession. I KNOW that much "research" in this subject area is essentially a stacked deck by poor design from the beginning.

3. There's plenty of discussion available in even professional papers about how stacked the deck is BY THE "PROFESSIONALS" and certainly the PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

4. The decision decades ago changing the category from disorder to a lifestyle choice was A POLITICAL EFFORT THAT SUCCEEDED. It was NOT based on science AT ALL.

5. You can continue to be impressed with the POLITICAL PROPAGANDIZING BY THE PROFESSION, if you wish. I'm not.

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But then where am I to turn for real unbiased information?

How about every leading association in Britain?

dot429.com...

How about Dr. Robert L. Spitzer?

www.nytimes.com...

and from the American Psychiatric Association....

"The American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as “reparative” or “conversion” therapy, which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder, or based upon a prior assumption that the patient should change his/ her homosexual orientation.”

and the American Medical Association ...they take stand against this type of therapy.

www.ama-assn.org...

So, I mean, I can't find any leading, credible sources that tell me this therapy is okay or beneficial.

The only place where homosexuality is considered abnormal now, is in outdated religions with no place in modern society. We've evolved. Keep up.

a reply to: amazing

Religion is never outdated and the only religion that is going somewhere is Christianity because it's demands cannot meet the modern worlds demands and even if it was to be altered then it would only prove that it's one big load of bs. Now Islam is a religion which can adapt to any world scenario and it isn't going anywhere. It's the fastest growing religion in the world and that should show you the future of homosexuality. Bye bye..... Enjoy it while it lasts is all I have to say.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: amazing

Religion is never outdated and the only religion that is going somewhere is Christianity because it's demands cannot meet the modern worlds demands and even if it was to be altered then it would only prove that it's one big load of bs. Now Islam is a religion which can adapt to any world scenario and it isn't going anywhere. It's the fastest growing religion in the world and that should show you the future of homosexuality. Bye bye..... Enjoy it while it lasts is all I have to say.

Well that's a whole other thread. There really is no difference in the three religions. Just their age. Judaism, then Christianity and then Islam. They are all on the way out. Just give it a few centuries perhaps less and we'll see new religions. It's a cycle. Perhaps the Norse gods will return to power? Better prophets too hopefully. I have no need for Mohammed the vile deceiver.

a reply to: Haxsaw

Wow, man...just wow...You left out pumpkins and knot holes in the fence.

A reply to: amazing

Well that's a whole other thread. There really is no difference in the three religions. Just their age. Judaism, then Christianity and then Islam. They are all on the way out. Just give it a few centuries perhaps less and we'll see new religions. It's a cycle. Perhaps the Norse gods will return to power? Better prophets too hopefully. I have no need for Mohammed.

I say we bring back Zoroastrianism. Show them all how monotheistic dualism is done.

Awaiting deletion to prevent thread drift.

a reply to: amazing

It appears that you read little to none of my quotes in my posts and/or the links related thereto.

Or perhaps you haven't bothered to connect all the dots.

Enjoy your perspective, while you can.

Certainly the PTB are happy to champion the same one.

. . . not that globalist propaganda has much to do with reality . . .

They are happy with the population reduction aspects of the orientation.

Their born the way the are. A homsexual trying to choose a straight life style, is not gonna be a happy human being.He/she has no say in their sexual preference. Be true to ones self...and happiness ensues. I guess addiction is a disease to you as well.






a reply to: Christian Voice

I don't have a problem with forced homosexual conversion therapy. It's cannot possibly screw these poor people up any more than they already are and it's preferable in a politically correct way to burning them at the stake.

Some Christians are having some success with this type of therapy but it's very limited because the devil likes to show off his stuff to the church people. He's even corrupted some church gores I have read. At this point the person becomes a threat - who may be possessed by demons. At this point I'd have no problem with forced segregation.

It's just like anyone else you separate from society that presents harm to another human. It's for the good of everyone.

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
Their born the way the are. A homsexual trying to choose a straight life style, is not gonna be a happy human being.He/she has no say in their sexual preference. Be true to ones self...and happiness ensues. I guess addiction is a disease to you as well.
a reply to: Christian Voice

That argument doesn't work you see because many of the homosexuals themselves do not believe they were born that way - they believe they were a product of their environment.

a reply to: JohnPhoenix

They all know they were not born gay because if they were there would be proof positive of it and there is not. They are just trying to remove the element of responsibility from themselves.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: JohnPhoenix

They all know they were not born gay because if they were there would be proof positive of it and there is not. They are just trying to remove the element of responsibility from themselves.

Perhaps a little research could relieve your intellectual constipation.

www.sciencedaily.com...

and how do you explain homosexuality in animals?

listverse.com...

a reply to: olaru12

AWWW damn, not this retarded argument again!!!!!!
Seriously?!?!?
1. Animals have sex based on instinct, not pleasure. Any study that suggests otherwise is biased and stupid. 2. Any presumed homosexual behavior in animals is a show of dominance. 3. Are you telling me that lower animals have sex with the same sex in a primal show of dominance so that excuses humans behaving the same way ? WOW, the same ignorant completely biased dribble.....

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: olaru12

AWWW damn, not this retarded argument again!!!!!!
Seriously?!?!?
1. Animals have sex based on instinct, not pleasure. Any study that suggests otherwise is biased and stupid. 2. Any presumed homosexual behavior in animals is a show of dominance. 3. Are you telling me that lower animals have sex with the same sex in a primal show of dominance so that excuses humans behaving the same way ? WOW, the same ignorant completely biased dribble.....

Please back up you position with links to your supposition or your post is also biased and stupid. It works both ways.

a reply to: JohnPhoenix

Who tells you these things?

It is amazing that there are still so many people stuck with your dogmatic mindset. I am not worried because my generation is a lot more educated than your generation and we do not tolerate the hate you spread.

It is people like you who have been deceived by 'evil forces' and made to believe that homosexuality is morally wrong.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: OpenEars123

I see the horrendously rigid bias in seemingly undiscerning, not thoroughly informed, blind support of at best a challenging lifestyle is, as usual, loudly evident on this thread.

Last I checked . . . hormonal and genetic factors accounted for 10-20% of the predisposition toward homosexuality in males.

Bo, ever the expert on something you know absolutely nothing about. Science has proven nothing except that they still don't know what causes homosexuality. There are many theories, mostly relating to development of the foetus in the womb, or perhaps genetic predispositions. They have been presented and you have ignored them that many times that I see little point in regurgitating an old argument to you.

POLITICAL DECLARATIONS do not equate to biological nor conditioning nor any other "facts."

Quite correct and your "facts' are politically motivated too. You have a disdain of homosexuality motivated by the politics of Christianity. The truth is Jesus did speak of homosexuality when he mentioned eunuchs in Matthew 19:12.

For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Eunuch was a colloquial term for gay people in Jesus day.

The same rigid thinking that you so loudly denounce will not let you see the truth my friend.

Besides all that . . .

A physiological/genetic predisposition toward alcoholism does NOT equate to a gun to the head forcing each drink of alcohol.

That is the worst and most ignorant comparison you could make. We are not addicted to anything. Once again, we've argued this point over and over.

Sex is only a tiny part of being gay. But stupid straight people like yourself make it ALL ABOUT the sex. Heck, my partner and I hardly ever bother with the wild monkey dance any more. We are just settled, happy and slightly overweight now mates for the most part.

It has absolutely zero, zilch, zip, nada, nothing to do whatsoever with alcholism. It's the same as saying that nobody forces straight people to have sex, therefore we could make them gay because it's like and addiction.

Nothing but stupidity at it's finest.


As for the rest of your rantings regarding politically motivated conversion therapy vs Christian conversion therapy - it's all lies my friend.

I (well my family made me) considered joining the now defunct (hallelujah) exodus ministries. Because of the immense peer pressure from within my christian family at large I really did think it was something I should do. Luckily I was under the protection of some enlightened (and stilll Christian I might add) doctors who warned me against it.

I made my own mind up and decided against it because I read in the literature that they gave me that every single testimony admitted that they were still 'tempted' by male attraction.

What's more I was told by the doctors that Exodus ministries had a record of very high suicide rates among people who were following their programme. I asked the representitives about that and they admitted it and told me that "The devil takes a lot of souls when it comes to homosexuality" It was their flippant and blatant disregard for the people that they had pretty much killed themselves that convinced me that this program was not from God, but from Satan himself.

Your statement that gay converts are only attracted to their girlfriends or wives is a lie of the worst kind. Even naturally straight men will tell you that only finding one female sexually attractive is an absolute fallacy. Why was Baywatch so popular on TV for instance?????

I'm sorry to be so harsh Bo, but you are just making this stuff up and presenting material that is simply untrue. My personal experience and that of countless wonderful friends who have had to suffer at the hands of the likes of you flies in the face of everything you are trying to teach us.

a reply to: jrod

Wow, did you just call homosexuals morally right ?

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

a reply to: markosity1973

Ever faithful with the insults, I see.

Your assumptions are wrong on a number of points.

However . . . I weary of the pretense at any hint of a dialogue.

I think Dennis Jernigan's experiences and testimony summarize many issues the best.