Obama's planned use of military against American citizens

originally posted by: ChiefD
I'm a 20 year Navy veteran, and I'm insulted that people think the military would turn on the population and do the things mentioned in the OP. Like others have pointed out, the Posse Comitatus act is very misunderstood. I find it ironic that there is a forum on here by that name, and it's basically nothing but bashing the police. Pathetic.

I don't think the military would turn on its own people.

I do, however, believe that the powers that be might order the military to do something they otherwise wouldn't do. Their compliance is up for question, of course, but the richest people in the world couldn't care less who they hurt, as long as their way of life is preserved.

a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

See, xuenchen makes a fantastic point;

I think you missed his point. His point is that this was dredged up for political purposes by opponents of the administration. Note the title of your thread.


Dredged up and incorrectly predigested for their audience, who won't be bothered to actually read the directive. Is that audience the stupid people you referred to?

a reply to: Phage

Dredged up and incorrectly predigested for their audience, who won't be bothered to actually read the directive. Is that audience the stupid people you referred to?

Yup!

Like the "recent" news that Obama care would fine people $250,000 for false or misleading information.

A similar audience lapped that up too, despite the fact that the fine is found on all such documents and has been in place for decades.

a reply to: AlphaHawk
Here's the 1994 version of the "bill." (Directive)

4.1.2. Military resources may be employed in support of civilian law enforcement operations in the 50 States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the U.S. territories and possessions only in the parameters of the Constitution and laws of the United States and the authority of the President and the Secretary of Defense, including delegations of that authority through this Directive or other means.

biotech.law.lsu.edu...

20 years and still no military takeover by Obama.

originally posted by: ChiefD
I'm a 20 year Navy veteran, and I'm insulted that people think the military would turn on the population and do the things mentioned in the OP. Like others have pointed out, the Posse Comitatus act is very misunderstood. I find it ironic that there is a forum on here by that name, and it's basically nothing but bashing the police. Pathetic.

Right, the military, pentagon, and politicians have such a great record of telling the truth.

The military knows who signs the checks and they will do what their superior officers tell them to do.

And it's not like the Police aren't bashing the taxpayers that pay their damn salary. Now that's pathetic!

Precedent:
1794

In July of 1794, a force of disaffected whiskey rebels attacked and destroyed the home of a tax inspector. The rebellion grew in numbers, if not in actions, and threatened to spread to other states. Hamilton knew that the presence of a large and potentially hostile force in Pennsylvania could not be tolerated. If the government were to survive, it would have to show itself capable of keeping control.

Hamilton advocated the use of military force; President George Washington instead put state militias on the ready and sent in negotiators. When talks proved fruitless, Washington acquiesced to Hamilton's view. A force of 13,000 militia troops, led by Hamilton and Virginia governor Henry Lee, marched into western Pennsylvania.

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1992

On the fourth day, 2,000 7th Infantry Division soldiers, along with 1,500 marines from 1st Marine Division, arrived to reinforce the California Army National Guard soldiers already in the city. This federal force took twenty-four hours to deploy to Huntington Park, about the same time it took for the California Army National Guard soldiers. This brought total troop strength associated with the effort to stop the breakdown in civil order to 13,500. U.S. military forces directly supported Los Angeles Police officers in restoring order and had a major effect of first containing, then stopping the violence.[42] With most of the violence under control, 30,000 people attended a peace rally. On the same day, the U.S. Justice Department announced it would begin a federal investigation of the Rodney King beating.

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It ain't new. It ain't got nothing to do with Obama.

The fact that this was even a consideration should bring more legitimacy to the thread I authored on the military aspects of how the Bundy situation was handled.

This really scares me.

a reply to: Kratos40

Thank you ,pin's on the map...

a reply to: olaru12

I'm current active duty army.

My guns stay home.

a reply to: olaru12


So YOU would follow orders and destroy the country? FOR A PAYCHECK? Soldiers are WAY better at critical thinking than that. We LOVE our country otherwise our egos WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE EFFORT. Essentially American nationality IS our value,not some socialist African in the white house seeking revenge on us.


To 98% of the people who are capable of war the POTUS should be imprisoned,HE needs those "immigrants" to fill his ranks if he want's to try it.

originally posted by: ChiefD
I'm a 20 year Navy veteran, and I'm insulted that people think the military would turn on the population and do the things mentioned in the OP. Like others have pointed out, the Posse Comitatus act is very misunderstood. I find it ironic that there is a forum on here by that name, and it's basically nothing but bashing the police. Pathetic.

have you heard of youtube? the cops do plenty of bashing too.

the military has gang members in every branch that are more loyal to their gang than the USA, plus we are recruiting foreigners into the service. Combine that with the number of first generation Americans, some who resent real americans and there is a recipe for trouble. Add in the purge of commanders and you see this is a ominous trend.

The police turn on the population and turn on the constitution EVERY time they enforce Free Speech Zones, harass someone filming them, conduct stop and frisk, conduct swat raids, etc.
And every time they harass peaceful protestors.

And I guess you havent seen the mout towns that are built to resemble us towns.
Also you must be forgetting that there are active duty and former members stating that practicing to seize peoples guns are what the mout training is at times.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: olaru12

To 98% of the people who are capable of war the POTUS should be imprisoned,HE needs those "immigrants" to fill his ranks if he want's to try it.

this is the concern I have. There are many anchor babies joining the military now, they have stronger allegiance to their home country than the USA.

what if for some strange reason the US had a war with a Latin American nation, do you not think some of the troops of hispanic origin would have issues?

I recall getting into a heated debate one day in the rec room over the fact that some pfc's/lance cooleys were more loyal to another country besides the USA. Foreign flags in their rooms, foreign flags hanging from their pov rear views, speaking a foreign language all the time amongst their clique, etc.

If 20% of the military would turn, that would be enough. As there would also be foreign troops with also carrying it out.
I dont know why there are russian soldiers still at military bases.

German soldiers went against certain portions of their own people, same with Vietnamese troops, etc.

I never would, and am surely on the list to be rounded up.

The mixing of LE and military training together and basically having the same gear is something of grave concern for many.

Kent State was also something scary, as was the troops going against the veterans on the white house lawn a few decades ago.

originally posted by: XxNightAngelusxX


The feds cannot legally just jump in.

And if it is an illegal presence then no law is required - well done - you just debunked it!

a reply to: HanzHenry
Just plan for them all at once and you got it covered...again.
I wouldn't be too cynical here I VERY much doubt Russia would like a destabilized America rolling forward under a progressive banner they are seemingly appalled as we are at the antics we have seen,and Putin damn sure was gonna play on that to secure that port.