Scientist says we're doomed; stop saving the world and retreat to climate-controlled cities

The scientist and inventor, James Lovelock, says that we should stop trying to save the world from climate change and start retreating to climate-controlled cities to survive.

Saving the planet from climate change is ‘beyond our ability’ and we should stop wasting time trying to tackle global warming, a leading scientist has claimed
James Lovelock, who first detected CFCs in the atmosphere and proposed the Gaia hypotheses, claims society should retreat to ‘climate-controlled cities’ and give up on large expanses of land which will become uninhabitable.
Lovelock, who has just published his latest book A Rough Ride To The Future, claims we should be ‘strengthening our defences and making a sustainable retreat.’
“We’re reaching an age in history where you can no longer predict the future with any hope of success.
“We should give up vainglorious attempts to save the world.

Scientist says we should stop trying to save the world

Lovelock, who is from Britian, tells his people and government that they should now start focusing on climate control in their own country and leave the schemes to super powers like the US, China and Japan.

He said that he agrees with the IPCC report earlier this year that states it may be too late to stop runaway global warming. The IPCC report states that global warming will lead to heatwaves, droughts, storm surges, flooding, violent conflicts and food shortages. The food shortages alone will lead to violence.

“In a changing climate cities are most less vulnerable to external heat than our individuals. If most of us lived in cities, as it seems we soon will do, the regulation of the climate of these cities might be far easier, more economic and safer option in a hot climate than the regulation by geoengineering of the whole planet. “

All these models from this scientist and the IPCC are only looking at carbon emissions and they say that these events will occur by the end of the century, but I disagree. They are ignoring methane emissions which is far more dangerous. It traps the sun's heat 25 times more effectively than carbon and methane levels are skyrocketing over the past few years. Here are some of my threads with tons of information about the methane and hydrogen sulfide threat.

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I also recently finished writing a book about my theories about methane and hydrogen sulfide gas that is in the editing stages right now. I've gathered up so much information over the past year and a half that I was able to pen 130,000 words of evidence that my theory is correct.

Climate scientists say we have till the end of this century, but if you factor in the threat of methane and hydrogen sulfide I believe that's being very generous. The main stream are ignoring the methane threat because they fear it will distract from the carbon debate which has been at the forefront for decades. They fear they will lose ground if methane takes center stage, which it should...and today, not in a decade...we may not have that long!

This is the only reason I give any creadence to the Chem trail conspiracies.

To me, it would make sense to use science to actively try to geo-engineer the climate.

Things like harp, as well would make sense if that technology does what people claim, that it would be used as well.

We have been getting a lot of volcanic activity as an example, it could be advantages to figure a way to exacerbate that in order to gain the "cooling" benefits of ash clouds.

Another Idea would be blanketing large sections of land with white reflective material to mimic the effects of snow reflecting the sun.

Also things like intentional mass farming of quick growing things like IVY, to increase co2 absorption, the problem is, as far as anyone knows theres been no massive effort to even try...

There was one business man I remember who conned some nation into dumping I believe it was iron into the ocean around them, to encourage growth of a co2 absorbing bacteria for "co2 credits" Ill have to look it up.


What ever the response, the reality is sea levels will rise, if its due to just solar activity, or man made wont matter in practical terms.

SO it only makes sense to start planning, and trying to combat it.

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Arcosanti founded by Italian --> American architect and former Frank Lloyd Wright student Palo Soleri in AZ is a great--the best I know of--a great way to do that:

www.arcosanti.org...

However, After the Biblically predicted literal Armageddon . . . There will be a huge REBOOT and the devestations will be set to right.

Trying not to feel too much doom from this scientist, but there is definitely some concern.

There has been some proposals to regulate cow methane emissions
Source 1

Problem is, it falls right back to any and all talks about them durned socialists with the made up science to grab our guns and freedoms and all that nonsense
ATS "Discussion" on the topic

So this guy is right...we are doomed....time to think of alternative means to live.
I, being in florida, will of course be building an ark.

"Scientist behind the Gaia hypothesis says environment movement does not pay enough attention to facts and he was too certain in the past about rising temperatures"

"The 94 year-old scientist, famous for his Gaia hypothesis that Earth is a self-regulating, single organism, also said that he had been too certain about the rate of global warming in his past book, that “it’s just as silly to be a [climate] denier as it is to be a believer” and thatfracking and nuclear power should power the UK, not renewable sources such as windfarms.

Speaking to the Guardian for an interview ahead of a landmark UN climate science report on Monday on the impacts of climate change, Lovelock said of the warnings of climate catastrophe in his 2006 book, Revenge of Gaia: “I was a little too certain in that book. You just can’t tell what’s going to happen.”

James Lovelock: environmentalism has become a religion www.theguardian.com...

For a skeptic look at this matter with comments wattsupwiththat.com...

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Ugh, that is a dark view especially coming from Lovelock, who I've always very much respected. His Gaia Hypothesis is, in my opinion, probably the most accurate reflection of the complex dynamics of the earth as a whole. For Lovelock to say "give up" makes me want to weep. As much as I see that the odds are definitely unfavorable of stopping the progression of what is occurring, I don't want to give up. I just can't. I agree that it is a romantic notion but what are the alternatives? In my mind, to retreat creates Fidipur--the stuff of my nightmares.

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I think I'll stick it out as a foraging nomad and suffer the inevitable consequences naturally, rather than sweating it out in a metropolitan controlled environment, where the spread of diseases would run rampant.

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An Ark is not such a silly notion in Florida.

At least the southern half has been predicted to be ultimately under water for a long time.

It seems to me that a Canary Island's induced Tsunami would devastate the whole state.

I know that's controversial . . . It doesn't seem all that logical to pretend that there will be 0.00000% problem from such a huge undersea landslide etc.

However, in terms of global warming . . . I think that's a stinking pile in terms of accusing man of causing it. I think it's much more a cyclical thing involving the sun and many huge systems changes that occur more or less naturally.

And, I don't think man can do much about it except like with Arcosanti etc.

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I agree, cities would be the worst place to live. I live in a small community and maybe that is possible without rampant diseases.

No thanks .. cities in any form are deathtraps ..
Spent most of my life outdoors not acclimatized to aircon .. dont even have aircon in house as end up sick from it.. will spend my time out in the country and outdoors as always have .. in regard to dying everyone dies sooner or later nothing to fear better to spend the time living instead of living in fear.

I will agree to the idea that people need to live in climate-controlled cities under one condition.

That they never be allowed to leave.

the2ofusr1
James Lovelock: environmentalism has become a religion www.theguardian.com...

For a skeptic look at this matter with comments wattsupwiththat.com...

My skepticism is in check when I see superstorms, polar freaking vortexes, etc become the norm, every year is a record high, then a record blizzard...
The atmosphere has changed and continues to change...anyone doing the southpark cop routine saying theres nothing to see here is worth dismissing at this point.

Time for solutions, and to kick aside anyone still attempting to deny reality

Now
I don't know what to think about the GAIA theory overall (conscious self regulating planet), and that is pretty irrelevant anyhow. This guy is basically saying the switch is already flipped and we are doomed..so don't bother trying.

I disagree with that on principle. First and foremost, cleaning up and moving into better clean renewable energy is not just a good idea for the environment, but will stimulate technological progression in various fields...and lower costs across the board for high standards of living.

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An Ark is not such a silly notion in Florida.

At least the southern half has been predicted to be ultimately under water for a long time.

It seems to me that a Canary Island's induced Tsunami would devastate the whole state.

I know that's controversial . . . It doesn't seem all that logical to pretend that there will be 0.00000% problem from such a huge undersea landslide etc.

However, in terms of global warming . . . I think that's a stinking pile in terms of accusing man of causing it. I think it's much more a cyclical thing involving the sun and many huge systems changes that occur more or less naturally.

And, I don't think man can do much about it except like with Arcosanti etc.

Not a man
over 7 billion men and industry to serve them all with immense amounts of waste...that's gonna change things in a biosphere.

How much arsenic does it take to kill a human body? Not much compared to the size of the body...yet a small chemical change in the body can be catastrophic.
If you can understand this simple fact on a small scale, why the disconnect on a large scale?

the scientist in the OP is correct about one thing
quit screwing with mother nature...let her do her thing
other then that:
man is the great adaptive..its his main shtick
cowering in a bubble...not so much

i can live on the ice, six months and on the water six months...out in the islands
no city for this kid.
I'd rather die a free man then a boxed biscuit
thank you very much

besides
the lack of sunspot activity and the past historical wreckord says everything I need to know about the past
to plan my future

the investment in 250 dollar - 40 dunlope boots paid off big time this winter
don't leave home without them

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Have you looked at the $$ to go green energy ? You may be shocked and end up deciding to park your car and walk to the places you need to ..Oh unless you live in some city bubble that can be self contained ...That might make for a good study in the thought of going to establish a colony on Mars .If it might be suggested it could be done there then doing it here should be a cake walk ....peace

Just more BS to push the BS!

Look outside, its lovely out there, its only in forums and on the msm that man made climate change exists!

WATER is by far the largest contributer to green house gases, and the planet is covered in the stuff, but they ignore that and concentrate on the miniscule amount of carbon that we create.

Just more BS.

This sounds a lot like Agenda 21 to me. Move the population from the rural areas into cities......where they will be easier to control.

it would take how long? and the inside of the bubble would prolly be all covered in sbot and kids finger prints...
the toilets will start to back up...the soylent green will start to turn putrid...

then the inside sickies will be out making raids at night...
killing and eating the healthy fit happy out door humans...

nope
can't see it