Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

~Lucidity
Question: Does anyone remember where in this thread or another it was discussed about the radar where another jet (theorized to be military by how fast it accelerated) or craft took off very fast right before last contact. I think it may have been a video.

If you haven't found it, yet... I believe this is the post...
Post by inshel

ETA: I actually put a little bit of time into trying to determine if there was anything that should be looked at...but then, was swamped with other stuff...
The following is very rough... Hope it is intelligible. If not - try to compare with the radar-video.
Thanks

At about 1:02 in - a plane located about halfway between the Malaysian island and Riau Islands - goes to "?" icon, then resumes "plane" icon at about 1:07, still heading in the general direction of Riau Islands.

At about 1:43 in - another plane coming into Malaysia from the NE, does an immediate about-face (180 degrees change to direction) and heads back out to sea (NE).

At about 1:48 in - a plane icon (that was following behind and in the same general direction as the first plane to change icons to "?") turns to "?", then turns back to "plane" icon, going the same direction as before...but...at the same time that it resumes "plane icon" the first plane that turned to "?" does a 180* turn (heading back toward Malaysia).
AND - at the same second - the plane that did an immediate about face (at 1:43 in), changes to "?"...then changes back to "plane icon" still heading out to sea (NE), at 1:53 in...and...at the same moment that it changes back...another plane that was heading toward Malaysia (closer to the island) turns to "?"...and appears to drift northward slightly, before changing back to "plane icon" at 2:03 in, and immediately darts in the direction of the first plane to change directions without changing icons...intersecting/passing the coordinates of the noted plane it was headed toward in less than 3 seconds (at 2:06 in), then slowing to a nominal pace almost immediately after passing the same (plane).

At this point, MA-S370 is almost to the coastline...
After MA-S370 clears the coastline, another more southerly plane heading away from Malaysia changes to "?", at 2:23 in...then resumes it course with "plane" icon at 2:28...

At 2:50, the first plane to do a 180...changes icon to "?" again...then back to "plane" icon at 2:53...
Then, the same plane, still well behind the 'speedy zipster' plane, blips off the radar at about the same time that the first plane to change icons to "?" (down south) blips off the radar...at 3:04 in...
Speedy zipster seems to hold stationary for a second or so...then, blips out...at 3:09...
MA S370 apparently makes a course adjustment at 3:17...then appears to go "stationary" for a second or so...and...blips out...at 3:24.

reply to post by WanDash


Thanks very much, Wan. That's it. Your description is what I remember. My followup questions is whether this was explained or examined by investigators. I only saw it mentioned in the video and pretty much nowhere else. Was wondering if it was in fact possibly some sort of military exercise, an anomaly, or something else. It seems like it could be important if it can't easily be explained or debunked.

reply to post by ~Lucidity

I know what you mean.
Don't know if 'what looks suspicious to us' also looks suspicious to 'those experienced in watching these screens' - so, I've been waiting, as well, in hopes for explanation/s.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Although there is no solid facts about how many seats were "intentionally" empty it seems fact that there was some need for some extra cargo which im guessing could be fuel. The choice being a 777-200 is interesting given its slimmer body, very fuel efficient, uses a fly by wire system (lighter). Therefore it seems that if it was hijacked the aim is to fly as far as possible with as little weight as possible without flagging interest. Looking at this site ( project.wnyc.org... ), they provide the possible landing site within the perimeter (determined by its furthest normal ability to fly). However it could be strange that right on the edge of the perimeter of the max flight distance is the british indian ocean territory base with a landing site. Also for the terror links there is north korea, Afghanistan and iran.
I just see a link to this choice of fuel efficient plane and need for extra flight distance and need to reach somewhere on the periphery of the usual max flying time.


Update.
Furthermore looking at the last known route of the plane you see it taking off from malaysia flying in direction of thialand and then abruptly trun towards the area where the british indian territory base is situated and then lose radar signal

reply to post by WanDash

Same. I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable has explained the activity on as being "noramal" or has debunked this video.

Now that you have given me the link to the discussion here, I will when I have time read if anyone here did. Thanks again.

I hate to say I TOLD YOU SO.
The NYT just reported, according to cable news, THE PLANE WAS PROGRAMMED TO MAKE THAT HUGE TURN!

I posted earlier the plane was hacked!

Willtell
I hate to say I TOLD YOU SO.
The NYT just reported, according to cable news, THE PLANE WAS PROGRAMMED TO MAKE THAT HUGE TURN!

I posted earlier the plane was hacked!

Or the pilot manually entered the information, which is much more likely.

Willtell
I hate to say I TOLD YOU SO.
The NYT just reported, according to cable news, THE PLANE WAS PROGRAMMED TO MAKE THAT HUGE TURN!

I posted earlier the plane was hacked!

I read the other thread with this information and...the information & source are as sketchy as all the other tidbits we've been told are 'fact'.
Thanks...though...for telling us so.

I posted early on about the proof of concept of hacking the ACARS and possibiliy the FMS published around april 2013. Although the FAA says no, I have to wonder whether to denial by 'it is not possible on live system' was the truth or a deflection.

Anyone know if the FMS crashes, what does it take to get it back assuming the data is not corrupt. Has it ever even happened in flight?

I have been studying the radar sites of FR24 and anothe one i sometimes use, and gave them both a good hour and a half from the time 1:20am that 370 vanished, i have payed alot of attention to looking at all the other flights withing a 500-750mile radius, and i have comapred there aircraft registration agains there flight number against the aircraft type, and all seems ok and normal, an important factual find i established was - the majority of the airspace especialy to the west, north west, north, north east, and south were all very busy with a constant supply of airways traffic, But a space of empty airspace without even one flight flying through it during the time i looked was due east between the malaysian island(departure island) and towards the philipean islands and including the east island section of malaysia.

This would make more sence to fly this way, especilay without radar coverage and at night, surely it would have been crazy to try to fly through busy airways corridors blidfolded as the masm have constantly been saying....

UKGuy1805
reply to post by sy.gunson

 

No, that was based on a fact - I watched them on FR24, they were both chinease A320 aircraft, the one on the left side of 370 was about 50miles away at the same alt, and there was another on the right that was about 60miles away and again at the same alt.
There was also a third aircraft about 100miles away flying an opposing route slightly to the right of 370 and coming from china to malaysia.

Care to share the link and details of the aircraft flight numbers so we can all see?

drwill
reply to post by sy.gunson

 

Thanks for explaining. I have worried and worried about this.

My point of view is that aviation has to learn from mistakes and if we as a society get it wrong what the cause might be, then it will happen again and again, perhaps with slightly different permutations.

After their cockpit fire off Newfoundland, Swissair totally rewired their aircraft with higher spec wiring to prevent electrical short circuits, but other airlines without any compulsion never followed suit.

If my theory about running faulty generators in parallel are proved correct, then procedures and fixes could be employed to prevent a recurrence.

I see some linkage between this incident and the Asiana Flight 214 crash at San Francisco, British Airways flight 038 crash at Heathrow and Turkish Airways THY 1959 at Schipol, where there were uncommanded autothrottle rollbacks. Authorities found other factors to blame most of which can't be proven such as fuel ice for BA038.

There is also an uncanny similarity with Egyptair Flight 990 into the Atlantic in 1999. I am not satisfied with the conclusions of that report either and see how all these could be linked by a common electrical systems failure. Airlines and manufacturers do not want to admit that aircraft could have inherent engineering problems.

The plane clearly disappeared. I can't believe everyone on ATS is just reguritating the media. The plane is gone and it's obviously a conspiracy! There are anomalies too! The plane disappeared and the technology that took the plane is leaving behind this strange evidence. Period.

Mikeultra

liteonit6969
Hi this is my first post so not too sure best format to write up. Looking through the forum ive seen a post say that the plane limited the seating number of passengers (minus 20) to possibly allow for more cargo. However could this not be a well calculated weight for fuel plan that they needed this extra 400kg of weight in order to reach the destination. Therefore instead of searching within the vast area of the possible distance travelled should they not take the normal fuel amount and distance it can travel from its last known destination and search beyond this perimeter up to the extra fuel added to the flight. May be something thats already been discussed but thought id share.

liteonit6969

I've read some people saying there were close to 50 empty seats, but I don't think that's accurate. The passenger manifest lists 227 passengers and 12 crew. Total 239 souls. www.malaysiaairlines.com...

This seating chart for a Malaysian Air 777-200 shows a total of 250 seats. So they had 23 empty seats. 23 x 150 lbs. = 3450 lbs.

Maybe there was 3450 lbs. of gold on board.

EDIT: Welcome to ATS!

edit on 17-3-2014 by Mikeultra because: welcome to ats think tank

According to the cargo manifest there was 3-4 tonnes of Mangosteens being transported to China on that flight.

No Hazardous Cargo On MH370

The Mangosteens could just be a mask though of course, but that is what they have announced.

reply to post by sy.gunson


Just go back on FR24 go back to the 7/3/14 put the time in set the area and have a look, seeing as you obviously have avaition knwoledge and experience, im sure like me you will be able to check things like i did.

Just a footnote - have been using FR24 for over 4 years and use it every single day, it is my eyes that tell me when and where a plane is coming so i can see it, i can narrow it down to minutes now from seeing a plane on there and going out and seeing it come over my head, this is an amazing tool for aircraft enthusiasts like me, and just backs up how reliable it is especialy with this mystery.

reply to post by sy.gunson


That's why I asked earlier if it were possible that in future stuff like that or mandatory GPS-type devices separately running with own power would be compulsory on commercial passenger planes. And then yeah, the $$$ argument... but surely insurance companies would make it a requirement in their policies?

After 1912, it become a thing to have the right about of lifeboats, and their accessibility on board unhampered, in shipping. Why not use the same argument for passenger planes?

reply to post by TheBlackpoolOne


I posted a few pages back about this.

Is it normal to transport several tonnes of fruit on a passenger plane internationally? That's a wee bit bizarre in my eyes unless someone with knowledge about such things can enlighten me.

reply to post by sy.gunson


Well said. Interestingly, a guest on CNN, Jeff Beatty (former CIA counter Terrorism officer) brought up Egypt Air and
suggested it may have been murder (quite a few officers in the Egyptian Army were on board, apparently). I agree with you. There's a lot of denial. I've been on transatlantic flights that encountered troubles. Once, we were on the ground for 3 hours in Atlanta, waiting for repairs. It's too bad that other airlines didn't follow Swiss Air's example.

reply to post by auroraaus


Is it far-fetched to wonder if fruit could be a hiding place?

reply to post by game over man


Regurgitating? I beg to differ.

This forum is a place to share knowledge, expertise and analysis of information which comes to hand. Some (if not most) of us take what is reported by MSM with a grain of salt. "Regurgitating" news, the way I see it, helps keep a record of this event as it unfolds, for future reference should more conspiracies come out of the woodwork years later... I use events such as 9/11 or the second Iraq War as an example.